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Old 01-19-2009, 02:20 AM   #1
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Talking 23 gal tank just cycled

Hello everyone! This is my first tank, and it is completely cycled for about 3 weeks now, and i currently have 10 hermit crabs, 7-10 turbo snails, a copper banded butterfly fish, a coral beauty, a yellow face sweeper goby, and 15 lbs of live rock. its a 23 gal tank, with protein skimmer, internal filter, power head and heater. now, on to my question....s

1. how many fish would you reccomend in this tank? i wanted to add 2 clowns and a foxface rabbitfish. but idk.

2. what foods should i be feeding them besides frozen brine shrimp?

3. the swimming pattern of the coral beauty, which i just bought today, is kinda jittery, like hes lagging. (sorry, only way i can think to describe it. gamer guy here.)

sorry for all the questions, but i dont wanna screw this up. thanks for any and all help you have to offer.

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im hoping to eventually have a reef system, any advice/how long to wait on the corals i want to get/how many could i put in a 23gal?
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:27 AM   #2
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Hello,
Congrats on the cycling,I know the feeling I have just finished cycling my tank 3weeks ago.
Have you checked liveaquaria.com ?if not check it out they have alot of information on saltwater fish and recommended tank size's for them.
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:35 AM   #3
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btw, the copperbanded butterfly recommended tank size is 60gallons and the fox face is 70gallons.
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:47 AM   #4
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welp, these guys will be in the tank for about 2-3 years, then i will be upgrading to a 50+ gallon tank. im not sure what just yet, but that is the plan.
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The coral beauty will do ok in that tank though would be much happier in a larger tank. The copper band is another story. It really needs a much larger tank. Getting it to eat, well that is a horse, or fish rather, of another color. They are tough fish to feed. Many starve to death. Frozen brine is basically like feeding candy bars, very little nutritional value. Try frozen mysis and pellet food. The angel will benefit from nori or another seaweed.

What are your water parameters? I know you have finished your cycle but what are the actual numbers? What is your SG?

A 23g tank should have nano fish in it. Corals are a whole other matter. They depend on excellent water conditions, flow and proper lighting. Conditions need to be stable, temp, pH, SG, to keep corals happy and healthy. Having a heavy bio load (fish) will impare your coral growth in a smaller tank.

Not trying to be the stick in the mud just trying to point you in the right direction. When in doubt or you see something you like look it up online, or ask about it here.
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Old 01-19-2009, 08:04 AM   #6
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You are OK probably on the CB but the butterfly and the foxface will not make it. You say 2 or 3 yrs down the road you`ll upgrade but I personally dont see either fish surving that long in your tank. Fish do not grow to their surrondings. They will get bigger and develope health problems. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it needs to be said.
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Old 01-19-2009, 11:32 AM   #7
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i dont have the actual numbers on me because i dont have a test kit so my LFS has been doing it for me. the copperband has been eating whatever i put in there, no problems with him. i will get some mysis and nori today and toss that in there and see how they like that tho, before i get too convinced the copperband will eat.

how long will it take the copperband to outgrow this tank?
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It is already outgrown the tank. It's not a matter of size it is a matter of behavior and habitat. The CBB needs a larger tank with lots of LR. It will spend all day picking at the rocks eating pods and other reef bugs. It is a tough fish to keep even for experienced people in the proper sized tank.

Having test kits on hand is a must in this hobby. Having a smaller tank things can change quickly and having those kits will keep you from running to the LFS (who aren't always right) to find out what's going on in your water.

A tip for future purchases...research them online, don't depend on your LFS for all the answers. Remember they are a business and chances are they are looking at your wallet and not your tank. All of the LFSs in my area and Ive never heard them try and talk someone out of buying a fish, no matter what size tank they had. Money talks there.

Personally I would return the Copper Banded Butterfly or find a local reef club and get someone to take it for you.
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i appreciate the concern on the lfs looking only at my wallet. and dont get me wrong, there are a few places here that are, in fact, interested in only my wallet, but the store i go to, and the only reason, is they actually care about the well being of the fish and my enjoyment as an aquarist. i know its hard to believe, but they chastise me for trying to pick out fish that wont work.
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I would listen to the advice here over any lfs out there.Just my 2 cents..
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