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Old 05-27-2011, 08:30 PM   #11
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Well JSa, I'm going to guess that it was an ammonia/nitrite poisoning. When you added 5 fish to a tank that had been running with a relatively small bioload your fish added a lot of waste at one time. The bacteria wasn't sufficient (because they weren't yet needed) to cope with the added ammonia. The next time you add fish, you'll need to either add them slowly (1-2 at a time) or keep an keen eye on your water parameters and be ready with a water change frequently to avoid the mini-cycle that your tank will go through. Any time you significantly increase the amount of waste in your tank (anything from fish poo to overfeeding or even dead fish) you have the chance of seeing an ammonia spike. Normally your tank will have a bacterial load capable of quickly handling it. In your case you went from little bio load (no fish) to lots in a very short period. Before the fish, even though your tank had technically cycled... You didn't have enough ammonia to create a large bacterial population. More live rock will certainly benefit you. A DSB is also a great place for nitrite conversion. In the end it probably came down to balance. Too much of anything at one time is going to create a problem. When you add the live rock, the die-off from live rock can cause the same problem. When you add anything to your tank... Be ready for PWC's and extra testing. Good luck!
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:19 PM   #12
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Don't listen to your lfs you should only add one fish at a time my tank is 55g I add a valitine puffer first then 2 weeks later a coral beauty then 3 weeks later a snowflake eel and now I've got a zebra lion fish at the lfs on hold (waiting for him to eat frozen food) its been two weeks and now I'm ready for the lion fish
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:22 PM   #13
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thanks for the advise and input guys!
i added the 4 damsels one day and then the 2 clowns 4 days later. i specifically asked the person @ the LFS if that was ok. he said i would be fine considering how big my tank is and how damsels and clowns are hardy

The things to be learned here are NEVER TRUST YOUR LFS unless well never.

Always consult this forum for info, or do proper research before hand

and add fish one at a time, recommended to me was once every two weeks,

But I would set up a quarantine tank capable of supporting life for a month, so you can make sure you don't kill your tank off with a new fish.

That isn't what happened here, u just dumped a huge bioload on a small amount of bacteria.

Damsels get mean as they get older so I not recommened them, but they are cool, I personally have a yellow tail thats bright blue.

yes live rock will benefit your tank, but make sure it's cure if you have any fish in there.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:29 PM   #14
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About your live rock yes adding more would be great you should have about 1 to two pounds per gallon (I've got 46 pounds in mine I need to find some more myself picked up 22 pounds last week for $20 last week)
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:33 PM   #15
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And make sure the lr is cured you don't want any die off in your tank it can add ammonia
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Old 05-28-2011, 01:40 AM   #16
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you could have added all of those fish at once if you had a bacteria colony large enough to sustain them, but 5 months without any fish and i feel the tank needed to be recycled. the bacteria colony needs food to survive/grow.

i've added many fish to a system all at once with no ill effects. it's not a common practice, but it can be done. if anyone disagrees, just think of the LFS. do you think they purchase and add one fish at a time to their systems?
they might add 50 fish at once.
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Old 05-28-2011, 01:43 AM   #17
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Good point about the LFS Mr. X, never thought about that before.
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Old 05-28-2011, 01:49 AM   #18
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I agree Mr. X. Which was the point I was trying to make (apparently unskillfully). Bacteria cannot multiply if they don't have a continuous food source. They just die off. Letting the tank sit dormant without a significant bioload basically set up the tank for a who new cycle when those fish were added.
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I would have to agree with X, listen to him he has helped me significantly with keeping my 10g stable for about the past year. My first thought was the bioload as well but was confused bc of your tank size, but no pwc's and the sedentary life of the tank previous to the add is definitely the cause, srry about your first run. Just try again, and PLEASE consult the forum bfore you do anything new, no matter how much research you've done on your own. Someone here may well point out something vital you may have missed. Good luck!!
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