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Old 04-01-2015, 12:47 PM   #181
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I will definately consider one, then. He does sound really cool, and as long as he doesn't eat my cleaner shrimp or the smaller fish I will put in the tank, then he's a real possibility.
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:52 PM   #182
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I can't speak on the shrimp, but if you get a large one it will be a snack. Mine is currently smaller than my coral beauty...got it when it was the size of my thumb. I've been trying for months to capture this behavior to share, but I swear it knows.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:03 PM   #183
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Why no wrasses? I think a m/f pair of flashers could make an awesome addition to this tank. Beautiful, hardy, and peaceful and will work perfectly in your tank, my personal favorites are the mccoskers with carpenters a close second


Edit: may catch a little flack for this but, imho you could also probably get away with a kole/bristle tooth tang in a 40b too, but they would limit the number/type of other fish you could add as they'll be a big amount of your bio-load and should be the only open water swimmer. I'd go with a small one and you may want to rehome it after a year or 2.

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Old 04-01-2015, 01:25 PM   #184
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OK. Reply to both of you guys. I'm not even sure I can find a Betta to look at and would like to see one before I buy. BTW, what size tank is he in?
As far as Wrasses, it's probably a silly reason I don't want one. My clowns were the first fish in my reef. Then I bought a flasher. Three days later, it was gone. It couldn't have jumped as this was a closed cube; nowhere to go. I never found any part of it. Just disappeared. Amost killed me. They are beautiful, and I've been tempted, but the stigma remains. Losing all of my chromis was devastating as that tank was cycled for a week. Then, all of a sudden, it wasn't. Scared to put anything in there now.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:29 PM   #185
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here are a couple of suggestions;


a longnose hawkfish;


they get about 5" max, are not constant swimmers and are chock full of personality. They are on the low end of medium aggression but will go for really small fish/crustaceans if they get hungry.

Polka Dot or Pajama Cardinals;



they get about 4"-5", are really mellow and can be kept in small groups if desired.

Same with the Bangaii Cardinal also in the pic, although Bangaii's tend to be a little more "assertive" without being a menace.
they also bark at the other fish.
(if you have Bangaii's and hear strange "thumping" or "barking grunts" coming from your tank, it is probably the cardinal expressing his opinion to another fish...LOL)

A Lemon peel or Yellow angel would be good as their bright color will stand out from across the room. I have a yellow coris wrasse for just that reason.
Same could be said for a Flame Angel as well.

Then there is a slew of interesting Dottybacks and Basslets that would be the right size for your tank. I saw a Royal Gramma in a store a few weeks ago that was almost 6", never saw one that big in captivity before. They wanted $50 for it.
You just need to research them because some are mellow and some are sociopaths.
I would steer clear of any damsels except clowns because most invariably because bullies.

there are a few Anthias that could also probably work, just make note of their max size as some get pretty big.

I agree, finding a good mix in that size can be a challenge.
In my 50 I finally settled on;
flame angel
longnose hawk
yellow coris wrasse
6 line wrasse (he may get evicted)
percula clown
bangaii cardinal
polka-dot cardinal
royal gramma
green mandarin (I got lucky, this one eats like a pig)
and a Fiji damsel that was the first fish I got in this system.

they are all relatively the same size and aggression level, there are occasional "get outta my yard" type of squabbles, but no real nastiness has developed between anyone.
It is funny to hear the cardinal go around "barking" at the other fish as he struts his stuff.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:29 PM   #186
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Got your edit BigRed. Have no place to rehome. LFS will not take a fish back and I know no other aquarists. A tang would be a dream fish. Have to think about that one with my redone stocking list when I GET it redone.
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A kole or bristletooth would be fine. I was looking last night and want one for my 55, but am not sold on it being able to be ok with how many fish are there currently.
It got me to thinking how much it would be nice to have something similar to the aqplanner that freshwater have as a guide for the unseen hand of stocking.


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here's the gang waiting for breakfast;




as you can see they are all about the same size which goes a long way to mitigate any aggression.

just a thought to keep in mind as you decide what to get.
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WOW!! Thanks, PB. In my initial research, dottybacks were indicated as pretty aggressive. I have a pajama cardinal and royal gramma in the reef. Guess you guys have figured out that I'm trying not to copycat my reef. I wanted chromis, even though I knew they were damsels, but nowhere could I find that they would kill off each other, though that's not what happened to me. But they could have. Am reconsidering bangaiis, because I'm running out of options and I can get captive bred. My dream fish is a mandarin. Long way down the road. Wish ORA would start breeding them again.
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Great looking tank, PB. Will look at those tangs to possibly add toward the end of stocking. Angel has to be toward the end, too. If I get a Betta, sounds like he could go in early.
I never said this, which would help y'all with your suggestions, but I have a granddaughter that wants to be a marine biologist. She's pretty firm on that, so she uses me as an initial study guide. Then I blew it with the chromis. She's figuring out just how delicate closed systems can be. That's why I'm not considering the same fish as are in the reef.
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