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Old 01-06-2010, 10:39 PM   #1
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Clownfish professionals' help needed BIG time

Hello,

Background and setup:
i've been doing freshwater tanks for years and decided to try saltwater.
This is a 30-gallon FOWLR.
It has 40ish pounds of live rocks, cycled after a month.
I made a DIY 10gallon sump and a DIY protein skimmer for it. Temperature always between 26-27 celsius, with 2 submerged heaters, 1 in main, 1 in sump.
There is 1 Hydor Koralia # 1 for the water circulation.
I later added a Hydor Koralia Nano near the surface to increase water surface movement for oxygen.

It then has 2 cleaner shrimps, 3 hermit crabs, 3 turbo snails, and 1 lovely royal gramma.
All is well. Then 2 weeks later.

The story:
I bought 2 active little ocellaris clown fish. That's how they looked:
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8587/…
This is how the tank looks like:
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9561/…
But they would never eat, but i learned that it's normal when newly introduced. But after a week, they still wouldn't eat. I worried. I always tried Omega One Flakes. Finally later I tried frozen krills. I tried Omega One Pellets with garlic. I tried spirulina flakes. They would never eat. Finally after a week from introduction, the smaller fish died. The other one looked like this:
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5022/im…
It looks ugly, the bottom fins were closed. (what does that mean?) Finally 3 days later, the second one died.
I've been checking my water daily, ammonia and nitrites are 0. Nitrates is low under 20. PH 8.2 Salt at 1.022-1.023. Temperature at 26-27. The Royal Gramma is so shy and never bothers those fish. The clowns just kept swimming still near glass and finally died. What could I have done better?

Finally, after a week of sadness, i spent money on 2 more clownfish, true spec this time, and bigger, from another store. Look:
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/3272/…
Oh, and I got a yellowtail blue damsel too with them, a very small one. I rearranged the rocks after the first pair died btw, now that's my full tank:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1091/…

The problem persists, all fish swim around and eat, except these 2 clowns again!!
Today is my third night... the best they did was put something in the mouth.. then spit it back. Never swallowed. I tried Omega One Flakes, Omega One Pellets with garlic, Seaweed(the seller said they ate that as well as frozen food), and spectrum pellets. Beside the seaweed, all of the packages have clownfish in the labels haha.
Now this is how they look tonight, the fins are closed again.. ****:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9969/im…
Tomorrow night i will try frozen food.

*sigh*..
tell me what can i do? i assure you the other fish and inverts don't bother the clownfish. The water circulation, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, temp, ph seem to be all fine.

Please help... and i know that these fish are not tank-bred. And when I purcahse them, they come from tanks with lots of other clown fish and nothing else (no corals).

Please tell me my next step...
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Welcome to AA!

Sorry about the loss of your clowns. The 1st question I have is were the fish quarantined before you added them to your display? The pic of the 1st sick clown looks like it has brooklynella, a common and fatal (if not treated) clownfish disease. The new clowns you added have a good chance of catching that disease now too.

As far as feeding, have you tried frozen brine or frozen mysis? Both are usually good at getting fish to eat.
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Thanks for your reply,

No they were not treated ahead. They had an hour of acclimatization only.
I don't have a quarantine tank either.

Normally, how would you treat them before putting them in? And would it affect my royal gramma and yellowtail damsel?
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One thing that is a good practice is to make sure your fish are eating before you buy them. I always get the LFS to feed a little so I can see them eat. That`s a pretty good practice if you ask me.
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Old 01-09-2010, 02:50 AM   #5
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coming from freshwater keeper... i didnt' realize quarantine was a must....


I just set up 2 hospital tanks.... 1 to treat my clownfish (1 already died) with hyposalinity (with extra bucket to do formaline treatment every other day),

and another hospital tank to hyposalinize the rest of the fish members.

While the main tank will only have invertebrates, and the ich should be gone after 30 days.

My only concern is, all I have is live rocks for bio filtration. I'm using them for my 2 quarantine tank. I hope the beneficial bacteria will survive hyposalinity ....
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Very good move in setting up QT tanks for your fish. To be safer, I would wait 6-8 weeks before adding any fish back into the display. 30 days is borderline and may not be enough time for all the parasites to die off.

Your main tank will be fine will just the live rock in it and no fish. If you want you can just throw in some flake food every few days to keep the bacteria fed.
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just curious, now that i know i need to quarantine my all my new fish, how do you actualyl quarantine a Yellow Watchman Goby?
Do i actually need to create a sand bed? (cause that's a lot of work, but if it must...)
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