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Old 07-27-2010, 02:04 AM   #1
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Equipment list for new 20g setup. Input?

OK, i'm new to the SW scene... I've read a book, articles (a couple on here) and I think i've got a good idea. Now, the other day I was at Petco and saw a tank sale... so I bought a 20g. Here's an equipment list... Do I have everything? Think it will be ok?

Protein Skimmer:
AquaC Remora w/ Rio 800 Pump - $164
AquaC Remora Protein Skimmer with Rio 800 Pump

Filter:
Marineland Penquin BIO-Wheel Power Filter 100B - $20.62 (Sale for 13.99)
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Lighting:

Marineland LED Double Bright Lighting System, Adjustable from 18-24" - $60
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Coralife Aqualight Dual Linear Strip T5 Aquarium Lighting Fixture, 2X14 Watt, 24 inch - $30
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Gravel/Live Sand:
Live Rock: 15-20 lbs
Live Sand: Enough for 2-3 inches of depth, although I'm not positive I'm going to go the LS route yet.

RO: Need to find one. Probably on ebay or something - $100

Extra Powerhead: For water movement
Not sure what size to get here... Ideas?

Other:
(2) Digital Thermometers (one for the water-change bucket)
(2) Hydrometer (again, one for the change bucket)
(1) Saltwater Test kit
(1) Large bucket of Premium Salt Mix $50
(1) pH meter
(1) Net
(2) Submersible Heaters (one for the water-change bucket)


OK, what did I miss? Since I'm in no hurry, I'm just getting the stuff as I can... maybe have it all by Christmas? - I like the Remora because I can make it drain into a larger container when I go away for business and family visits. As Always, Thanks for the help!
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:05 AM   #2
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Forget the filter, the live rock will do the the filtering. Get a couple hydor nano powerheads. Get dry aragonite sand(the rock will make it live over time.) If you don't mind changing water every week,ditch the skimmer. Weekly water changes will do the same job as bi-weekly with the skimmer. The only reason I say that is with a tank that small,it's not too much of a pain to change water. As far as the light, that will depend on whether you want coral or not. Since you want live rock,get the api saltwater test kit, it checks the basics. The reef kit will check for calcium,phos,and hardness(if you decide to buy coral). I'm just putting this out there,but a hob refugium would be a better purchase than the skimmer(for macroalgae) This is my opinion though. Oh and I would suggest a refractometer for measuring salinity(that small a tank can be affected more by small salinity changes)
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Old 07-28-2010, 10:50 AM   #3
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OK, i'm new to the SW scene... I've read a book, articles (a couple on here) and I think i've got a good idea. Now, the other day I was at Petco and saw a tank sale... so I bought a 20g. Here's an equipment list... Do I have everything? Think it will be ok?

Protein Skimmer:
AquaC Remora w/ Rio 800 Pump - $164
AquaC Remora Protein Skimmer with Rio 800 Pump

It's rarely a bad thing to have a skimmer, but as mentioned, on this size tank you probably won't need it. If you are away on business often then it might be a worthy investment so you don't have to worry as much. Read lots of reviews on whatever you get, skimmers all look mostly the same, but some are just junk.

Filter:
Marineland Penquin BIO-Wheel Power Filter 100B - $20.62 (Sale for 13.99)
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You probably won't need this if you have a good amount of LR and some power heads, but the HOB filters are nice to put little bags of carbon or other things in.

Lighting:

Marineland LED Double Bright Lighting System, Adjustable from 18-24" - $60
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Coralife Aqualight Dual Linear Strip T5 Aquarium Lighting Fixture, 2X14 Watt, 24 inch - $30
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Both options are fine as long as you are going to do a fish only tank. If you plan on having coral at all, I would pinch the pennies and buy a nice fixture once, instead of one now one later.

Gravel/Live Sand:
Live Rock: 15-20 lbs
Live Sand: Enough for 2-3 inches of depth, although I'm not positive I'm going to go the LS route yet.

As stated, LS is pretty useless. It's usually been sitting on the shelf at the store or at a facility for weeks and everything in there is dead. Aragonite sand works best, steer clear of crushed coral as a substrate.

RO: Need to find one. Probably on ebay or something - $100

Bulkreefsupply.com has some good deals. Spend the little extra and get an RO/DI. Don't be afraid to buy a non "marine" system if you find one. They are all the same thing.

Extra Powerhead: For water movement
Not sure what size to get here... Ideas?

Like Kdogg said, Hydors are nice, I also like the smaller Rios because they are easier to hide and tuck behind some rock.

Other:
(2) Digital Thermometers (one for the water-change bucket)
(2) Hydrometer (again, one for the change bucket) Buy a refractometer, save yourself the headache.
(1) Saltwater Test kit Make sure you buy liquid test kits not strips.
(1) Large bucket of Premium Salt Mix $50
(1) pH meter Test kit will work too.
(1) Net Get a large, really soft net.
(2) Submersible Heaters (one for the water-change bucket)


OK, what did I miss? Since I'm in no hurry, I'm just getting the stuff as I can... maybe have it all by Christmas? - I like the Remora because I can make it drain into a larger container when I go away for business and family visits. As Always, Thanks for the help!


Sounds like you did your research. Kudos to that!
From what I can see, you are off on a great start, let us know if you have any follow up questions.
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Thanks for the advice. Been looking for the last week or two and have found some good deals online on a lot of the stuff. With the go ahead from you guys most of it is on its way... decided to do without the HOB filter until I see a need for it. Just need to wait for it all to come in, buy sand and LR and hurry up and wait... for a couple weeks.

Found a AquaC Remora for $50 on craigslist that has been used less than a year... probably going to pick that up sometime this week if I ever get a response from the seller... For business trips I'll just do a water change a day or two before, and hook up a large jug to the skimmer so it doesn't mess everywhere.

Looks like its about time to jump in.. should be fun.
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One more thing... since i've already got a thread going...

I plan on getting an dwarf angelfish (coral beauty or flame most likely) for my girlfriend. Do you all think there is going to be enough tank room for another fish or two? Or should I plan on only keeping that one? I was thinking maybe a clown?
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Based on your equipment, I'm assuming you plan on keeping coral? In that case, a flame angel may not be the best option as they tend to nip at some coral. I had one that tore through LPS and zoanthids. Some people have had luck with keeping angels with coral, just try to keep it well fed and you may be one of the lucky ones.
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Also I think flames need 30g, although someone else should probably clarify.
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30 gallons is a good size for a flame. +1. I had a 20 not too long ago and that's where my flame was. I decided a reef tank and a 20 is not the place for an angel so I moved it to the 75 FOWLR.
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I had to take my flame back for nipping fins. He was in a 180 gal with only 6 other fish. Of course, it was about fully grown when I got it, so it could have been set in its ways. Just be leary of them and try to find as small a one as possible. If you do get one, make it the last fish in the tank.
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20g isn't really going to be large enough for a flame. They need enough room to stretch their fins and swim as they are really active fish.
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