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Old 11-07-2006, 02:09 PM   #11
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I'm heading to my LFS shortly and I'll talk with them about this as well to see if they have suggestions. From the sounds of it I can either get grouper+trigger and have nothing else in the tank (no live rock etc)

Or I can get a mix of fish including cleaners etc but I can't have a grouper or trigger.

I've decided to get 1-2 Seio 820s or 2 620s, a coralife super skimmer 220, and possibly some live rock just for now. I'll have to think long and hard about the fish. Having only a trigger+grouper in a huge tank is very empty.

I confirmed that my light is two thin t5 bulbs (1 blue/1white). Will I need to get more if I'm having live rock and a stock similar to the one suggested above?
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As far as the lighting that will be enough if you are only going to be FOWLR. Corals will be another story. Also if you want a clean up crew they will not last long with the trigger and grouper. Peaceful tank is much more desirable IMO. I also run a seio but I run the 1100.
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I'm heading to my LFS shortly and I'll talk with them about this as well to see if they have suggestions. From the sounds of it I can either get grouper+trigger and have nothing else in the tank (no live rock etc)

Or I can get a mix of fish including cleaners etc but I can't have a grouper or trigger.
Your tank is not nearly big enough for a panther grouper, even as the only fish. I love them, but IMO my 180 (6') is too small. LiveAquaria gives them a minimum tank size of 300 gallons, and they're in the business of getting people to buy fish. They get up to 20" and have an appetite to match. And - they grow really fast.

A trigger will tear those fake plants to bits - or at least pull them out of the sand. Also, a trigger needs a lot of rock with plenty of caves. The whole point of a trigger's "trigger" dorsal fin is to let him wedge himself in between rocks, which they'll do both when threatened and when they sleep. A trigger will choose a cave and wedge himself in there every night; I have a pinktail, and the moment the lights go out he swims right to his cave and puts up his trigger to hold himself in place. Lacking such safe spots, a trigger will be unhappy and will probably take it out on his tankmates. They have teeth and like to use them (take my word for it!).

Almost any trigger will eat shrimps, and most will eat other motile inverts. A few are hit-or-miss with inverts, such as the bluethroat, sargassum, and crosshatch.
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Old 11-07-2006, 04:36 PM   #14
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Thanks everyone. I've decided against a grouper for reasons above.

I've pretty much decided that I can't do an agressive tank fish because I cannot mix the fish that I like.

I'm looking into starting a community tank now - with a nice cleanup crew, some starfish, clowns, chromis, and other fish that will be more peaceful. I will get the super skimmer 220 and a powerhead. I will also get a bunch of live rock and add maybe 1-2 annenoems (for the clowns). All fake plants are going to be removed. Also, I've read that niger triggers are passive... so would I be able to place a niger trigger in an aquarium like this?

Assuming I'm keeping this tank pretty much FO, with maybe 20-30 lbs live rock, and 1-2 anemoes, do I need a powerful powerhead or just a simple 620/820??

Thanks! I will probably stick fairly close to the stocking suggestion above but possibly something instead of tangs due to ich fear.
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The thing I don't know about is the trigger, but I sure am happy about the rest of your last post, GuOD. I was starting to get a headache just reading all this back-and-forth!!
Go Community Tank!!
PS. And no fake plants, please!
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Thanks! I appreciate everyone's patience.

I am trying to fully understand everything and learn as quickly as possible so that when I do start I'm fully prepared.

I'm trying to decide which powerhead would be ideal for my 125g assuming community with 30-50 lbs of live rock. It's 4x2x2 and the Fluval Filter pumps 1000gal/hr. I'm leaning towards a Seio 820 or 1100. I don't want to have too much flow that the fish are unhappy but I also don't want too little. I'm totally unfamiliar with this and find it difficult to find information (I know reef tanks need a lot but my tank is FO basically)

I'm also considering getting a Orbit 48" 260W Reef light for my 50 lbs of live rock. Is this necessary or should I stick with my Coralife compact t5 florescent? (I believe it's 2x65w.. one blue one white)

Thanks!
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Re: Experts - Can this setup work? Fish already selected etc

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The tank has been cycling for a week as freshwater with goldfish. It's now been converted to salt water and has some mollys (though not enough to do anything) In a week or two I will add a few damsels if the tank tests ok but none of the below fish will be added until January so it will be ready for sure.
That is by no means long enough to cycle a tank for saltwater fish. A tank community for the fish you are intending will require several months of cycling before it is ready for any real fish. Several months means 6 at a minimum, more wouldn't hurt though. You could speed up the process if you could get some good water from another system.
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That is by no means long enough to cycle a tank for saltwater fish. A tank community for the fish you are intending will require several months of cycling before it is ready for any real fish. Several months means 6 at a minimum, more wouldn't hurt though. You could speed up the process if you could get some good water from another system.
A month will cycle a tank. It is important to add fish slowly, no matter how long your cycle took. As far as speeding up the process by getting good water from another system, that is not quite correct. Water does not hold the good bacteria. That grows on surfaces such as rock, sand, bioballs, sponges. It does not live in the water column. For example, if you took an empty tank and filled it with just water from a well established tank that was 10 years old, it would not help cycle the tank, nor would the tank be anywhere near cycled. If however, you took the liverock from that 10 year old, well stocked tank, and put it in your new tank, it would be ready for fish almost instantly.
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You have been given some very good advice and I applaud you for modifying your fish list. There are tons of great options for a community tank. One thing to consider...I cannot under-estemate the importance of using LR as a source for biological filtration. It is the single best thing you can do for your tank. It is well worth the consideration and investment. The benefits are many.
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You have been given some very good advice and I applaud you for modifying your fish list. There are tons of great options for a community tank. One thing to consider...I cannot under-estemate the importance of using LR as a source for biological filtration. It is the single best thing you can do for your tank. It is well worth the consideration and investment. The benefits are many.
Thanks. I came into this knowing nothing at all but appreciating only the look of the fish. I have a separate thread where I decided I will have over 100 lbs of a dryrock/liverock combination.

I still do think triggers look really nice and I'm hoping I can one day add a passive trigger to my tank, such as a niger trigger.
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