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Old 08-17-2011, 12:59 PM   #11
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AND customers. People who would come into the shop and buy things but didn't have service done by us.

Can you provide more information about your systems? Tank size? Stocking? Feeding? Filtration? Water change schedule? Nitrate concentration? Phosphate concentration? Have you ever used skimmers? What kind? Why not anymore?

There seem to be a whole lot of people buying equipment committed to the lie of needing protein skimmers.

I have seen tanks with and without skimmers, there is a difference. This doesn't mean that every tank needs one, setting it up a certain way and/or a little more maintenance can allow you to get by without one. But most tanks would benefit from using one.
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He asked if it was a must. I explained the good things about it and said it's useful...by answering his specific question, wouldn't that make it on topic...what's the problem?
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He has a 64 gallon fowlr as stated in his first post
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Not the OP, slitherbomb is claiming his tanks are running great and insisting protein skimmers can be replaced by a refugium (as if they are mutually exclusive). I am asking him for more info about his tanks.
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I have a 1 month old 40g breeder with a 20l refugium. Right now the only fish are a pair of clowns. It has about 10hermits and 1 decorator crab. The lights are 6x39w t5ho nova extreme pro fixture. Am, trite, trate, and phos are 0, but the tank is barely stocked so that is normal.

Then I have a 75g, with only a HOB filter. Changed about 25g of water 2 weeks ago. Fish are a small blue tang, yellow tang, kole tang, 1 chromis, a pair of maroon clowns, and a snowflake eel. Lights are pc and a t8 bulb. Am, trite is at 0. Trates are always between 5-20 and phos .25 or less.

The 40g is going to become most an SPS tank, so dissolved organics can be used to feed the corals, and I'm only going to get 2, maybe 3 more fish.

The 75g is at it's limit with fish, and the blue tang is going back to the store with it reaches 4-5 inches.
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How long has the 75 been setup? Any corals in it?
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The 75 was setup about 3-4 months ago. It has an acropora that I put in about a month ago. It was brown when I got it, but it starting to turn greenish. Btw both tanks are using NSW if it matters.
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Just out of curiousity, you started doing saltwater around june...why are you so against protein skimmers? I've read previous posts of yours where you were against skimmers.
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Btw, I'm not saying that skimmers are horrible, I just hate when people say you NEED one. A refugium does a great job at what it has to, and is a lot cheaper than having to get a protein skimmer. Most systems can do without a skimmer, except those with maybe coral that release toxins or extremely overstocked systems.

And I forgot to mention, my 40g has a mushroom and 2 pieces of favia fragum coral in it.
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So the longest your tanks have been setup is 4 months and this proves that skimmers aren't needed? Let us know how it goes over the next few years if you still feel the same.

A refugium doesn't do what a skimmer does. A refugium removes nitrate and phosphate. A skimmer can help reduce these and MANY other things that buildup in the water.
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