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Old 11-18-2006, 01:34 AM   #41
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If you have live rock put it in now, don't wait put it right in the faster you put it in the faster your cycles over. You don't need media, your media IS the live rock and sand. It becomes live which means it grows the bacteria YOU need to combat ammonia.
Like I said before listen to the LFS if you want, or get the right answer the first and only time here.

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If you have live rock put it in now
never use stuff that was used for freshwater unless thoroughly cleaned.
If you have a canister filter or what not youw ant to add, I suggest you add it now. Anything you want to use as filtering add it at the time of the beginning of your cycle, not doing so will prolong your cycle by making mini cycles.
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Old 11-18-2006, 02:37 AM   #42
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Everyone has given you great advice here but I just want to add.

When people say patience is key, it is experience.

Bio Spira is not the way to go. Even if it did cycle it in a few days there are many other reasons the longer cycle is a good thing. I am not going to go into it all but for one, after your cycle you have to add everything very slow. If you add to much the bacteria can not keep up, and you will have another spike. The shrimp gives a good amount of amonia like you were seeing to build a good bacteria base. Put the shrimp back in. You are SUPPOSE to spike and at levels MUCH higher than that.

All the chemicals are no use. Cloudy water has nothing to do with bacteria. The cloudy water is normal as already stated. Wait a week for settling to take place.

You need to take a step back and relax. A saltwater tank does not happen over night.

The best advice I ever got was from a guy in my reef club because it stuck with me. "Only bad things happen fast." That is the truth.

You can rush your cycle and add fish/inverts if you want but when you wake up to a tank full of hair algae, cyano, dino's, unhealthy looking fish and a recycling tank, you will figure out why people kept on mentioning "patience."
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ok fargo, im listening to you guys, stop telling me that im not.

mike, the water and sand/cc settled, and the tank looked all clean, and then the water got all cloudy

how high should i let the ammonia get in my tank, obviously the crab will disengrate, but how high should i let the ammonia get, and then how do i get it back down? or will it go down itself?
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Old 11-18-2006, 04:21 PM   #44
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you let the ammonia get as high as it wants to get...you have nothing alive in the tank so it is not going to create any problems. You dont get it back down...the nitrite will get it down, it will eat up the ammonia...then the nitrite will go down to zero on its own and you will then do a water change. You dont do a thing until your ammonia and nitrite readings are at zero. This will take two to three weeks.
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Update: i added the crab back into the tank, i seem more confident about the cycling process this time around.

while doing so, i moved some of my base rock around, and in doing so, stirred so some sand, which clouded the tank. is this normal for it to get cloudy after such little movement?

this seems like it would get annoying every pwc
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Yeah, for the first little bit it's normal. In time it will settle and will not cloud as much, but it will always cloud a little bit.
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another thing.

i may be charged with another "cheating the cycle time" process, but if i turn up the heat in the tank. theoretically, shouldnt that in turn, crank up the metabolism of bacteria, and shorten the time of the crab's decomposeure rate? therefore, "speeding up the cycle"
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In theory, maybe by a few hours to a day. But I don't think it'd have too much of an effect. Wouldn't hurt anything to do so though.
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the tanks cycling, i'll keep you guys updated when its done.

should LR be added right after i get params just right?
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Liverock should be added now, while the tank is cycling. It will greatly boost your cycle time and when its cycling you will be ready to add livestock.

If you cycle then add the liverock, you will like recycle a little. Might as well just add it now.
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