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Old 08-07-2003, 04:07 PM   #11
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yea thats what I thought you were talking about. I don't know of any research that either supports or refutes their "preserved in their natural live state " claim. the sand may in fact help introduce the bacteria into your tank to speed up your cycle, I can't say either way.

However, a stable DSB requires more than just bacteria. There are thousands of flaura and fauna that live in the sand, copopods, worms, you name it. part of the "cycle" in a DSB are tiny critters clean up the bacteria, allowing new bacteria to replace it, keeping the cycle going.

There is no way these popds or worms can survive the "bagging" process. The only real way to get them are from either the ocean (not recommended) or from other established SW tanks. There are online retailers that sell .... shoot.. i forget what they call them... basically a DSB seeding pack... which is basically scoops of sand from an established DSB.


In regards to pictures... start a thread in the DIY fourm and document the entire process... from dry tank placement all the way to adding fish! It's a great way to get good help as we'll all be up to speed on what you've done so far, and it also makes for a good reference for other new-comers.
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Old 08-07-2003, 04:12 PM   #12
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You are right on with it jsut having the bacteria and not the other critters in it. That supports the research I did on it. Guess I did not know the other sutff was necessary too. would these not develop over time with the use of the LR and the "clean-up crew?"
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Old 08-07-2003, 04:18 PM   #13
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it is quite likely you'll get some from good LR, but, IMO, not quite enough of a diversity as there are many things that only live in the sand beds... again, you want to do your best to get wide diversity, you won't need a lot of the wet live sand, just a few pounds. Once the DSB is established the critters will thrive and reproduce quickly... but you have to get them in there to begin with
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Great, thanks for the advice. I will research this too. I you have any suggestions as to who sells this online, please let me know. Thanks again for all the advice
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ahhh... Live Sand Activators! here's a couple (in no particular order)

http://www.coraldynamics.com/Livesand.html

http://www.inlandaquatics.com/prod/tr_invert.html (down in starter kits)

and you might want to check out this discussion here where some have reviewed these purchases from retailers.
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Thanks again BZ
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for a 135 gallon tank, you will need a large amount of detrivores. They are an important, integral part of your setup. The liverock will become overrun with general nastiness without them. They also keep your sandbed healthy.
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Thanks Hara. Pursuant to BZ's advice, I checked out the two sites he referenced. www.coraldynamics.com seems to have have a good live sand activator package. I also found some nice critter packages at www.reefjanitors.com. I really appreciate the help I am getting with this. What started out as a "seems like a good idea" has turned out to be much more involved, expensive and educational than I first thought. I want to be sure though, expense and all that the fish will have the best chance for survival when I do get them - I see that as my obligation to them. The minute I walk out of the store with them, they are my responsibility and I want to do everything I can to be sure I am providing a home they can be reasonably happy in and comfortable. Just wanted you all to know that is why I really appreciate all the advice. One thing I have already learnt (without even having the tank here)... this is nothing like keeping a FW tank
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Best advice I have seen is to get some LS from several sources. I got a detrivore kit from both ISPF and Inland Aquatics. I also got a few pounds from another tank (local). That would probably be the best source for diversity. Try to find a few local 'friends' who are willing to give a cup or two from their tanks to seed your new tank.
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