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Old 04-09-2014, 05:29 PM   #11
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Thank you for all the advice. So I went and talked with a lady at a store that specializes in saltwater fish here in Utah. She told me to make sure to get a good cleanup crew or I would be cleaning it nonstop. She said to not get the cheap hermit crabs but to get the ones that are larger than the small snails (such as the red leg one, etc) and to get about 10 of them and about 10-20 nerite snails but that I would have to replace probably 10 of the snails every 6 months to a year. What do you guys think about that?

She also said to choose 2-3 of the medium size fish (the ones that require about a 70 gallon aquarium and are about 4-7 inches long) and 5-7 small fish (the ones that require a 30 gallon or smaller aquarium and are 1-5 inches long) and not to do more than that and then add as many invertebrates as I want. She was talking about adding them to coral, though. As I am reading angelfish are not really reef compatible and neither are the foxface and neither are a couple other fish I am looking at. Would that make a difference and does that sound like a good amount of fish?

Here is what I am looking at but I am worried about a couple of the fish on this list. Tell me what you think, please.

Coral Beauty Angelfish
Kole Yellow Eye Tang
One Spot Foxface
Ocellaris Clown
Banggai Cardinal
Six Line Wrasse (or some kind of fairy wrasse, not sure which yet)
Orchid Dottyback
Saddle Valentini Puffer (I am worried about this)
Longnose Hawkfish (I am really worried about this)
Some sort of Blenny, jawfish or goby (I have no idea what kind to get with these)

Am I even on the right track at all? Is this too many fish for a 75 gallon aquarium, does it seem about right or could I add more? Do you have any advice on what type of blenny, jawfish or goby to get? What if I wanted coral in the future, what fish would I not be able to have on this list?

Thank you again for all your help.

Alright, well it is common for LFS to give advice just for a sale. So, here are the things I find wrong. Not an attack against you, just in general. I apologies if it sounds rude :/ not trying to be .

1.) The cleanup crew statement is false, CUC are never required. They don't really "clean", they simply change one form of detritus into another. With or without them, you will be cleaning the tank, that's the way it goes.

2.) Cheap hermit crabs? It doesn't matter their price, and I find that anyone who is calling a beautiful piece of nature "cheap" isn't really respectable. Also sounds like she wants you to spend more money.

3.) If they are saying you'll have to replace your CUC, that's a problem. They are knowingly selling you too much of something, and then telling you it's ok if they die, just replace them...

4.) I wouldn't start off the bat with 10 fish, maybe 8, and if the system can handle it then you can increase the amount. Don't add them all at once, not what I am trying to say.

5.) Angelfish are really a hit or miss. Some won't nip at corals, some will. As for fox face, they are typically fine.

6.) The puffer will eat your CUC.

7.) I'd still be cautious of adding a tang.

8.) you are right to be cautious of the hawlfish.

9.) I'd stay away from jewfish if you don't have a DSB.

10.) Watchman goby, bicolor blenny, anything really.
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Old 04-09-2014, 06:05 PM   #12
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My two cents..,

Coral Beauty Angelfish - fine in a 75g. I would not do two dwarfs.

Kole Yellow Eye Tang- fine in a 75g. Could also go with a Tomini Tang.

One Spot Foxface - should be okay, but they can get big.

Ocellaris Clown - fine.

Banggai Cardinal - fine, but IMO they are kinda boring, especially in a big tank.

Six Line Wrasse - can be nasty. I would go with a fairy wrasse over a 6 line any day.

Orchid Dottyback - dottybacks can be super aggressive and are fearless . I'd say no.

Saddle Valentini Puffer - should be ok, just can't have a CUC. The blue spots are beautiful too. They are messy eaters, so they add waste more than the others.

Longnose Hawkfish - other Hawks can be aggressive. I've never had an issue with a Longnose. I'd say sure.

Blenny, jawfish or goby - All are okay , but sand bed needs to be fairly deep. I'd go Blenny.

I think you would be okay with this lineup, minus the Dottyback and with the fairy wrasse over the six line and with maybe something like a Midas Blenny. Add fish slowly...one, maybe two per month to allow your BB to grow with the added bioload. If nitrates start to rise quickly, you know you are pushing it. Alot depends on your filtration.

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Thank you for your advice. I am going to add the fish one to two at a time. I was not planning on adding more than that. I am just trying to get an idea of what I want so I can make a plan of what order to add them in.

My sand bed is about 3 inches. Is that going to be enough if I wanted a jawfish or whatever else I wanted? Do I need to worry about the puffer destroying the coral? How about the hawkfish?
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What do you think about dropping the Dottyback and the Sixline Wrasse and adding a Royal Gramma? After that I still want some sort of wrasse and either a blenny, jawfish or goby which is where I need some help before deciding.

I am having a hard time figuring out what kind of wrasse to add to my tank. I think the Sixline Wrasse is beautiful but everyone is telling me not to go with that so now I am looking into a couple other wrasses. Would anyone be able to recommend a type of fairy wrasse that would be good in my tank as I am having a hard time figuring out what I want? Please tell me why you are recommending that as well. I am also considering a flasher wrasse instead. Does anyone know anything about them? Also, as far as a blenny/jawfish/goby is concerned what do you recommend and why? Right now I am leaning toward a striped blenny but I am not sure and I love watching a jawfish work. I have a 3 inch sandbed so I don't think that is really an issue to worry about.

After I decide on what fish I want for sure then I will need help figuring out what order to add them. Any ideas on that?

Thank you for all of your help with this aquarium.
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I am a little bias when it comes to the Six Line Wrasse! LoL

Loved my wrasse!
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Six line should be one if the last you pit in if you decide on it!
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I love the flasher wrasses, carpenters are probably my favorite but they're all beautiful and peaceful. And a 3 inch sandbed would be fine for a jaw fish IMO.
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Thank you again for the advice. So here is my new updated list. Tell me what you think. Now what order should I introduce them? I obviously only want to do one to two fish at a time.

Coral Beauty Angelfish
Kole Yellow Eye Tang
One Spot Foxface
Ocellaris Clown
Banggai Cardinal
Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse
Royal Gramma
Saddle Valentini Puffer (I am still trying to decide between this or something else with a cleanup crew)
Longnose Hawkfish
Some sort of Blenny, jawfish or goby (I am still not sure what kind. Any recommendations? I am kind of leaning toward a striped blenny but not sure)

Please tell me what you think.

Thanks again for all your help.
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Honestly, my list of what to add fist was blown out the window.

You got to find the fish first, and most of the time it will not be the fish you want to add fist.

My suggestion and how I was able to get around a lot of aggression when introducing a new tank mate was simple. I feed my current fish first, while I am acclimating and I turn off the lights. I have not had a single issue so far.

This is what I did for my new guy in my 120 tank, and from the looks of things no aggression from the Wrasse! So just get the fish you want in the tank as soon as you can find them.

The Coral Beauty and wrasse should be at the end if you can!
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