Need to raise pH, how fast is safe?

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Floyd R Turbo

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I am working on a FOWLR tank for a friend, 135g w/15 sump so 150g system volume. The pH is 7.4 and KH is about 4 dKH, salinity 32 SG 1.0235 and it's SUPER dirty. No protein skimmer (he's got one on the way) and it's been running for about 3 years. Cyano all over the place. I am going to do a 40 gallon PWC w/IO sea salt and RO water and clean all the Cyano and detrius out. Inhabitants are 1 dog-faced puffer, 1 Yellow Tang, 3 Sergeant Majors. He only has about 40-60 lb of LR. So lots of issue to tackle on this tank.

My question is this: the new water generally runs at a pH of about 8.2-8.4 and KH of about 7 or 8 after the salt is mixed in.

The way I calculate it, if he has 150g and I remove 40, that leaves 110g of 7.4 pH 4 dKH water. If I add 40 gallons of 8.4 pH 8 KH water, and go by a linear mixing calculation, then his pH will raise to 7.6 and KH will raise to just over 5. Is this an acceptable pH swing, or should I raise the pH/KH in his system prior to doing the water change?

I understand and pH is not a linear scale, but KH is. So my calculation may be off and I don't want to throw the pH too much too fast, for obvious reasons.

I was planning on dosing his tank with Brightwell Aquatics Alkalin8.3-P today before doing the PWC & cleaning tomorrow. The jar says exactly how much it will change the KH per unit dosed, but says nothing about how it will affect the pH, so I figure the less the better just in case.

The instructions say that you make a stock solution, and 1mL of this solution will increase dKH of 1 gallon by 0.36. It also says if the initial dKH is below 7, to add the maximum dose of 10ml per 20 USG (or 1/2 mL per gallon) until desired alkalinity is reached. This means that it would only raise the dKH of the entire system by 0.18 per dose. Is this considered to be the safest rate of increase of KH?

Anyone have any insights??

I just went through a calculation taking into consideration the logarithmic nature of pH and figured that the water change will raise the pH to about 7.9, or half a point. Is that acceptable? Or should I just do a 20 gallon change to be safe? That would raise it to 7.7-7.8.
 
it's not my tank, I will be going in tonight to check levels. Did about 30-35 gallon change. Sump was gross. There was at least 1 inch of waste at the bottom. I took 4 5 gallon buckets of sludge out. Plus he has bio-balls that were totally caked. Thankfully it all washed off (used fresh SW for that). I only had enough water left after sump cleaning to siphon about 1/4 of gravel, had to just suck the top layer off the waste was stuck to it.
 
What happens when you don't clean a tank for 3 years

WARNING: What you are about to see is real. The names have been changed to protect the innocent. You may feel the need to hurl after looking at these pictures. :spin2:

This tank has been up and running for about 3 years and never has had even a minor cleaning done. This is why I got decided to go into business maintaining aquariums after much debate; the fish deserve it.

The following pictures are broken into a couple of posts; before, during and after cleaning:

DT

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Sump Inlet tower side

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Pump side barrier (it turns out there was a sponge in there)

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Here is the sponge

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I discovered Bio-balls (customer said there weren't any in there!!)

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What happens when you don't clean a tank for 3 years; continued

2 of the 5 buckets like this I siphoned out of the sump

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Oooh - so pretty!!

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Hey, there are those bio-balls! I only left them in there because he doesn't have enough LR. Otherwise they would have gone bye-bye

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Still have to fix the sump base. An overflow somewhere along the line cause the base of the stand to bow, sump isn't level or supported on this end. Salt creep was by the handful

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Cleaned the overflow slots - tank was full and pump was sucking air

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After all that, only had 1/4 of the water I mixed up (10 out of 40 gallons) to clean the DT. I got about 12-16 inches across one side siphoned off with a 3/4 ID hose, just sucked the top layer off and tossed it. 10 gallons went in about 3 minutes since the top of the tank is 7 feet up.

Before:

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After:

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After I get the LR cleaned up and the top layer all siphoned off, I'm gonna shove all the old gravel to one side and put in a new layer of Argonite sand and eventually remove all the old stuff. But that's a ways off. Right now I'm working on cleaning the system without killing any more fish.
 
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