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Old 06-22-2006, 09:40 PM   #11
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I will have compassion on you this time. We will see if YOU pass the test of time. You made a lot of bad choices, No.1 being your choice of LFS. No. 2 was cycling your tank with fish. All I ask is that you have compassion on the occupants in your tank.
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Old 06-27-2006, 01:52 PM   #12
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I have a brand new tank and NO FISH.
I was also under the impression that you had no fish in your tank. I am sorry for your losses! I have had a few and the reason was, I didn't take the avoids of these folks on this forum. I would take the advice of your "fish guy" with a few grains of salt!

Ok, let's start over. It sounds like you were cycling your tank with fish. I would not recommend this. It is like them living in very poor water conditions. Most fish become stressed and die. They are really living in sewage sludge. IMO, it is our job to simulate the best or better than their natural habitats, since we have more control over our tanks as opposed to the world and it's oceans (hope that made since, I'm still in vacation mode).
Another thing I would suggest, ask folks here (there is a LOT of experience), read, take things slowly.
I would also not suggest a FW dip on a SW fish. This stresses an already stressed fish. A great tool we have is a QT. This is where we can control the sick fish's environment, and if done properly can save the fish and the other inhabitants of the main tank.

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I cycled my tank with damsels. After the cycle I purchased 5 fish. The type is probably irrelevent.
Ok, now we know this probably isn't a good idea. The other fish are very important. There are many factors, how big of a tank they will need, if they are aggressive and will attack other fish, if the tank is established enough to support that species needs.

Do you have a test kit?
What is going on with the tank right now?
Do you have any fish or inverts in there now?

Just take is slow and ask a ton of questions and LISTEN to the advice, here, more so thank your "fish guy". To me, he sounds like he might be new or not be too knowledgable in the SW field.

No one here is bashing you or laughing. We are trying to help, but I feel I kind of got half the story at first, unless I missed it in another post.
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Also, I returned 2 fish to him before they died. He fresh water dipped them but they still died. The damsels I returned to him infected his whole system.
This right here shows you the lack of knowledge your LFS contact has. First of all, not only is a freshwater dip a poor choice of treatment, as it will only cause SOME of the parasites to jump off, it is unbelievably stressful on the fish. Not to mention, if the ich is already free swimming in the water, taking him out and putting him in freshwater only to put him right back in the same infected saltwater is a complete waste of time. He then had his entire system infected? What was he doing taking a fish he knew was infected with ich and placing it into his system?

Personally, I would say you have made mistakes, but they have been honest mistakes because you expected (and appropriately) someone in the business of selling fish to know how to take care of them. Unfortunately, this guy clearly does NOT. Buying fish there might not be bad if they are healthy, but please double check his advice here, where you can get advice from people who have decades of experience with everything to do with this hobby.

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Im very curious to meet this "fishguy".
We have a local LFS here, sometimes I ask "dummy" questions to see how much they know, if I followed their advice, I would have to get a HAZMAT team out to my house ASAP.

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The damsels I returned to him infected his whole system.
Did that guy tell u that "your fish" infected his system?! Didn't u buy everything from him? lol
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Agreed. Just hang in there!
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Also, I returned 2 fish to him before they died. He fresh water dipped them but they still died. The damsels I returned to him infected his whole system.
This right here shows you the lack of knowledge your LFS contact has. First of all, not only is a freshwater dip a poor choice of treatment, as it will only cause SOME of the parasites to jump off, it is unbelievably stressful on the fish. Not to mention, if the ich is already free swimming in the water, taking him out and putting him in freshwater only to put him right back in the same infected saltwater is a complete waste of time. He then had his entire system infected? What was he doing taking a fish he knew was infected with ich and placing it into his system?

Personally, I would say you have made mistakes, but they have been honest mistakes because you expected (and appropriately) someone in the business of selling fish to know how to take care of them. Unfortunately, this guy clearly does NOT. Buying fish there might not be bad if they are healthy, but please double check his advice here, where you can get advice from people who have decades of experience with everything to do with this hobby.

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I have treated my tank with 4 different kind of treatments. None of them have copper. I took every invert out of my tank and put them into my sons 20 gal tank. The only live animal left is my african star and he is doing fine. He ate my other snails I put in there. I just did a 25 gallon water change and I was hoping to start putting fish back in. I still see little tiny creatures moving around on the side of my tank. I can see them because one side is made of black plexy glass. These are the same things my fish guy said was causing my fish to die. But how can they servive so much treatment?????? How do I really know if they are pods? They are to small to identify from the links I have been given. Should I try more fish and see what happens? I hate to see any kind of animal die. Especially in my care. I have had my water checked several times since I started the treatments and it is good. My salt level is good also. Hopefully I have given enough info for you to go by. I am still very new at this. Thanks for any more advice you can give.
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Is your "fish guy" testing your water? I'd be wary if so. Do you have test kits of your own? If you don't, you should get them and post the results here so the "experts" can tell you how you're doing and what your next step should be.

Believe me, these guys have given me so much advice over the past year and a half, both directly and indirectly because I read almost everything that's posted! My tank has been stable for a year, with very little gone wrong, and it's because I take this forum's advice!
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More than likely, they are beneficial pods....
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Can u give us the specific parameters? I really really doubt that the "tiny specs" ur seeing are killing ur fish.

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WOW...Sounds like ur fish guy is just suggesting u random treatments... He said he knows that the dots are killing ur fish and yet he fails to know what exactly they are...

IMO, stop all the treatments, find out exactly what are ur parameters then we'll go from there
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