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Old 04-17-2014, 07:17 PM   #11
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I am not really sure that fixture is enough lighting for a nem - I had the same one on my 55g (but my tank was shallower) and it was still not enough and your tank is deeper. I do think a 6 or 8 bulb would be better - but they need to be along side the ones you have for them to be beneficial. I also struggled with temp when I had the T5 so switched to led, not to mention the cost with replacing the bulbs! I keep 2 bubble tip nems and my clowns host a hammer coral. Can't make them do what you want them to do!
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Old 04-18-2014, 12:57 AM   #12
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That is why I am adding another to make it a 6 T5 fixture. The fixture I have now fits right along side the other.

I can say one thing, the fixture I have is 10 times brighter than any fixture I have had in the past. This thing lights down to the very bottom of my tank. The lighting requirements for the bubble tip is between 2 to 4 watts per gallon and my fixture puts it to 3 watts per gallon. If I add another 2 10,000K lights, it should make my tank bright enough.

The only reason I want one now is because of my black clown fish, and truth be told if he does not host the anemone, I might just get a small 20 gallon tank and a strong light for it and set the tank up so I can start propagating the anemone. I could use the money to keep my hobby going without having to use money I earn from work which is very little. Especially now being I am having a daughter on the way. :-p
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Old 04-18-2014, 01:31 AM   #13
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Ah I see. I guess if you have those fixtures go for it. I just was put off by the replacement bulb thing and if you are going to try and make a bit of cash out of this I would definitely consider led lighting, much more cost effective and no heat issues. Have you kept anemones before? They can be tricky to care for, I can't imagine propagating them,Too much hassle for me!
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Old 04-18-2014, 02:48 AM   #14
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Id wait a year or so before adding a nem. I learned this the hard and expensive way.
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Even when everything is already established? I have had everything in a tank for longer than a year. The sand has been populated since I had my 29 gallon a year and a half ago. I moved everything from my 29 to a 55 about about 6 months ago, and two weeks ago I moved everything to the 120 I have now.

I never rinsed my sand, I have always just stirred it up after I took most of the water out and sucked up the left over water. I then moved the sand to the new tank on top of fresh sand. I put only 60 pounds of new sand in my 120. I moved 90 pounds of old live sand from my old 55 to the 120.

My 100 pounds of rock have been in my 55 for 6 months. The oldest rock I have is more than a year old and that's 55 pounds.

All my filters are moved from the old tank to the new one. Everything in my tank is over a year old now. The only new thing in my tank is 60 pounds of normal sand that is on the bottom covered by my old live sand. The only new filter is my wet/dry for the bigger water supply.

So would you still wait a year, and why is it important to wait a year?
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If I were to propagate them, I would get LED lights. I watched people do it and it's really not that hard.

Really all you do is cut one in half to make two, and so on. It sounds harder than it really is. But you need to have a good tank set up when doing it because they need to heal after for about 30 mins.

There is more too it, but I want to learn so I can make money. If I choose to!
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If I were to propagate them, I would get LED lights. I watched people do it and it's really not that hard.

Really all you do is cut one in half to make two, and so on. It sounds harder than it really is. But you need to have a good tank set up when doing it because they need to heal after for about 30 mins.

There is more too it, but I want to learn so I can make money. If I choose to!

IMHO this is an awful idea, I would never cut one of my nems in half to sell them, your more likely to kill them. If you want to subsidize the hobby why not try a zoa grow out/frag system. Z's/p's are extremely popular right now
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You may not cut one in half, but I will. Just because one person thinks it's awful does not make it wrong. A lot of the anemones you buy today where propagated this way to save the ocean from being plucked.

It does not kill them, and you don't do it every single day. Naturally they will split to make more, but this can be done artificially. Like I said its not a daily thing, and it does come with some risk, but if done correctly it can be profitable and save the ocean from people gathering them up and messing up the ecosystem. It's responsible fish keeping and its much like fragging corals. Like a worm you cut it in half it will grow a new worm.

I also would like to get into fragging corals as well.
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I looked at fragging nems for a bit myself. Honestly, nems are way more fragile than corals and many times coral crags can tend to die off for no apatent reason. Adding on top of that nems can die from a small amount of damage to their foot and it turns into a risk vs reward thing. Personally, I would rather have a larger healthier nem than a few smaller ones id worry about dying. Its better to focus on coral fragging to make some extra money imho.

As for the age of the tank, I would give it at minimum 3 months before adding a nem. Switching over to a bigger tank can make things go haywire. Especially when you are keeping the old sand bed.
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I agree, I don't want to make this propagating thing the norm, I just want to make a few extra dollars to feed my hobby. It would also be nice knowing I helped save one anemone from being plucked out of the ocean. You know how many DIE just to feed our hobby, and we are worried about killing one trying to propagate it? The poor anemone is plucked from the ocean, put into buckets and then sits on the beach all day long in the sun. How many die from transportation? Yes it's risky, but without risk comes no reward. The reward would be a few extra dollars and knowing that I saved a few wild anemones.

We are all hypocrites in some way. We want to protect the ocean, and yet we take fish out of the ocean for our enjoyment. I know there is tons of fish out in the ocean, and I am sure our hobby really does not make a dent in the populations of the fish we like, but it still does not mean we can't try and breed our or propagate our own supply for the hobby.

We already ruined some parts of the ocean with introducing lion fish into parts they never were intended to be in. So I may want to risk killing one anemone to save many more, that does not make me irresponsible, it just means I want to make money and protect the ocean in my own small way.

I am not going to get the anemone first, I am going to get my fish all in the tank before I get the anemone. It might take me longer then 3 months to get 5 more fish. Plus I got to wait for the filtration to catch up.

I always have kept the old sand bed, but I always stirred it up and sucked up the dirty water. I have had tons of success keeping the sand bed and not having to worry about full tank cycle.
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