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Old 06-18-2013, 06:28 PM   #21
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Yeah, when I support boiled water I mean boiling water on the stove and dropping the whole rock in.
That is what concerns me, boiling water mixed with live rock is a real real bad idea.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:57 AM   #22
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That is what concerns me, boiling water mixed with live rock is a real real bad idea.
What's your credentials/experience for being concerned? I can't find anything that makes the same claim as you.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:12 AM   #23
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For credentials, I was 74D in the us army, Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear specalist.

For real world examples:
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/blog...-wife-and-dogs

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/blog...le-at-your-lfs

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palytoxin

These are just a few.
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Seems my last post did not stick. I was a 74DL4 in the US Army, chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear warfare specalist. I can post reference materials later today when I am on my PC
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:21 PM   #25
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Seems my last post did not stick. I was a 74DL4 in the US Army, chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear warfare specalist. I can post reference materials later today when I am on my PC
Ok, Thks. Do they teach this particularly in the Army?? I'm surprised that since this is such a dangerous issue that not more people speak about it on these types of forums. I did finally find 1 other forum talking about it & I just plain searched the Palytoxin itself. Scary stuff!! I'm guessing it's pretty rare to come across this toxin or there'd be lots more reef keepers dying--doesn't make it any less of a thing to be worried about as you never know the possibility for the toxin to be there.
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Not all zoa, paly, and anems have the same concentrations, and the polyps don't always have to he visible to release the toxin, but there is some pretty scary stuff in our tanks that a lot of people take for granted.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:35 PM   #28
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Not all zoa, paly, and anems have the same concentrations, and the polyps don't always have to he visible to release the toxin, but there is some pretty scary stuff in our tanks that a lot of people take for granted.
So if we just keep our rock & sand in the tank, no boiling water or don't leave it laying around, we should be fine, right?? So what about rocks/coral my kids have brought home from the beach & left in the garage... are we just lucky we haven't died yet?? I'm not being fictitious I just like to be fully aware of dangers in our life if I can be!
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Handling rock is safe, just use common sense. Don't touch face ect before washing hands, don't bare hand corals. The toxin needs a way in. It can be soaked through skin but takes a large ammount and a decent exposure time. Boiling the rock puts the toxin in arisol form, and that is where the real danger lies.
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Handling rock is safe, just use common sense. Don't touch face ect before washing hands, don't bare hand corals. The toxin needs a way in. It can be soaked through skin but takes a large ammount and a decent exposure time. Boiling the rock puts the toxin in arisol form, and that is where the real danger lies.
Wow. So scary! Whoda thunk?! I'd imagine that it'd make you at least have pain or feel crappy even you had a lil exposure even if it didn't kill you. Now I'm worried b/c this hobby seems dangerous.
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