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Old 09-13-2004, 05:05 PM   #1
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switching my plans from FOWLR to FO... need advice.

due to laws in the state of hawaii which bans LR, even if it is purchased and shipped from the mainland. i am changing my plans to setup an FOWLR to FO.

in this type of setup, should i keep the bio-balls in the wet/dry filter for biological filtration since i will not have the LR? will the "clean up crew" live OK in a FO environment?
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Old 09-13-2004, 06:05 PM   #2
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Try making your own lr check out garf.com of get base rock and try to find some coraline from a existing tank to seed yours. Go with what you want!!!

Live rock is just base rock with the bacteria on it.
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Old 09-13-2004, 06:21 PM   #3
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guitarded, someone just discussed this not to long ago. If you look up the laws it turns out that it isn't illegal to own lr from what I remember, it is just illegal to sell and or trade it commercially. I believe your allowed to harvest a certain amount daily youself from coral rumble, but not allowed to break or cut it.

I would take the time to look this up for yourself in black and white before coming to any conclusions, after all, we could all be wrong on the laws!!!!

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Old 09-13-2004, 07:18 PM   #4
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nyghtone,

you are absolutely right. another member on this forum just shared the state's website concerning live rock with me and it can harvest a small bit per day...

http://www.hawaii.gov/dlnr/dar/libra...l_liverock.htm
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Old 09-13-2004, 08:48 PM   #5
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i did some further research. the state's website says that i can take 1 gal of sand and coral rubble. however, another regulation specifically cites live rock as illegal to take. in fact, if live rock is found regardless of origin, one can be prosecuted.

http://www.hawaii.gov/dlnr/dar/fish_regs/marinverts.htm
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Old 09-13-2004, 09:14 PM   #6
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I guess what it boils down to is how badly you want this reef tank!!!! If it were me, I'd be buying a snorkel as we speak, haha. Live sand taken from different areas a little bit at a time is really all that you need to seed tons of lava rock into being real live rock from what I understand

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Old 09-13-2004, 10:53 PM   #7
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according to the law, i can get fill a gallon bucket with sand per day. so your right i could be some sand and seed my tank. the only restriction is harvesting live rocks.
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Making live rock

Why not just find the hirocks guy and buy some dry rock from him? Clearly he has rights to the rock, and since it's dry it's not "live". With a receipt, you are immune from prosecution, I'd think. the sand you collect would seed the rock enough to get it started.

Just my 2c, I'm a newbie, and not a lawyer.
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Or.....like an earlier post said...make your own live rock. I do it all the time. Dry non-live rock will cost you about 1.50 to 2.99 a pound where I am at. I make my own for about 30 cents a pound. That is with the cost of sand and crushed coral. You have that available for free. Something to check out.

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hey sparky, did you use the garf site to guide your lr construction or did you use another source?

i'm thinking about doing this myself.
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