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when they are in those tiny cramped cups they dont have room to do much of anything.... my dancer is thriving and twice his size when i first got him.... now that hes in a 2 gal container... now to get his 5 gal set up when it gets here this week or next... i was at walmart the other day lookin at their bettas and one was actually dead so i know our local walmart doesnt keep up on their fish they just let anyone take care of them and put them on a shelf and forget about them.... so sad because they are living things and need to be taken care of just like any other animal or living thing... :(
 
when they are in those tiny cramped cups they dont have room to do much of anything.... my dancer is thriving and twice his size when i first got him.... now that hes in a 2 gal container... now to get his 5 gal set up when it gets here this week or next... i was at walmart the other day lookin at their bettas and one was actually dead so i know our local walmart doesnt keep up on their fish they just let anyone take care of them and put them on a shelf and forget about them.... so sad because they are living things and need to be taken care of just like any other animal or living thing... :(

I use to work for Walmart a few years ago. They had to get rid of fish altogether because at night they kept having someone come in and put dish soap in all the tanks, and no they never caught the guy. People can be so cruel. Walmart isn't focused on fish though. They make their money with groceries so they could care less about a fish in a cup. Half the time ours has no fish products. They'll only order more when people complain or their shelves are completely empty.
 
Boogety48 said:
I use to work for Walmart a few years ago. They had to get rid of fish altogether because at night they kept having someone come in and put dish soap in all the tanks, and no they never caught the guy. People can be so cruel.

That is just horrible! When I lived in okc, I went to the zoo all the time, they have one of the top zoos in the country. For a few years, the dolphins kept dying. They would empty out all the pools and sterilize them, and then get some more, and then they would die too. They had all kinds of specialist come in. Word was that someone was killing them, it was horrible. I don't think they ever found out for sure. Even if you don't believe in zoos and stuff, killing animals sure isn't the way to close them down :(
 
Yea I don't get how people can do that to another living thing. It took them doing it three times at Walmart before they saw them on camera and pulled out all the fish tanks and never got fish again. That's been over seven years ago and they still don't even carry bettas.
 
our walmart just started carrying fish when they did the big remodel last yr or so... the other fish like the tetras and danios and the snails and mini sharks and catfish they look fine i looked at the bettas again today and they werent active at all just sitting there.. u couldnt tell if they were dead or alive unless u picked up the cups and moved them around... i got my betta at petsmart in charleston wv and the bettas there seemed to be in good health and active as they could be in the cups as the other fish and aquatic animals were and i plan on when i get more fish or possibly shrimp or snails thats where i will go... id like to get a 10 gal set up with some female bettas and planted if i can figure out how to do that but for now i just have dancer and am learning as i go and getting him situated first..
 
I love Petsmart. Thats where I get my fish/supllies. My dog loves it too though. He goes so much that we have to say p.s. or he'll start whining and go to the door. It sucks too because our Petsmart has the cats next to the fish, and he loves cats, so its a battle to see who gets to look at what they want to look at on the wall.
 
is 80 a safe temp for bettas? Dancer is himself when his temp is at 76-78 but when his water reaches 80 hes a showoff lol and makes bubble nests like crazy and sometimes he will rest next to the heater... he seems to be happier if the temp is at 80. i just dont want it too hot and burn him...
 
dancersmama79 said:
is 80 a safe temp for bettas? Dancer is himself when his temp is at 76-78 but when his water reaches 80 hes a showoff lol and makes bubble nests like crazy and sometimes he will rest next to the heater... he seems to be happier if the temp is at 80. i just dont want it too hot and burn him...

80 is the recommended temp for bettas. :)
 
Keeping Bettas

ive always heard72-82 so i didnt know what was best...

I've been reading this post from the beginning and frankly, I've seen a few responses that really raise my eyebrow. I had to stop reading and set the record straight.
I've been breeding Bettas since 1965 both as a hobbyist and a commercial breeder and I am still breeding some today. Today's Bettas are not the same as yesteryears even tho they are from the same gene pool however, their requirements and history are still the same.
Here's what you need to know:
Bettas, in their wild form, came from shallow water/ rice patties in Asia. They belong to a group of fish called Anabantoids. They evolved to breath air because where they came from, oxygen levels in the water are low. (The same applies for some of the huge fish from South America.) Today's Bettas still breath that way because that's what the fish is, an AIR BREATHER. Gouramis are anabantids as well and can be kept in unairated tanks as well.
Tank size: Doesn't matter!!! I've raised Bettas in Baby food jars. Water quality matters most.
Temperature: while Bettas can be kept in a multitude of temperature ranges, they come from warm humid areas and will do best when that scenario is duplicated. (I have nests made at 76 degrees up to 85 /90 degrees but fish living 65 degrees.) The nice part about Bettas is that if you look and listen, they tell you when they are not happy. A happy betta will not be staying in a corner with clamped fins and not eating. If yours is doing any of those things, something's wrong. I have my Bettas in 4 different set ups depending on the situation. Some are in jars, some in filtered tanks, some in unfiltered tanks and some in a flow through system. Different ways for different situations. The most important thing you must do is keep them in cleaner water. If you are feeding 2x per day, you'll need to change the water about every other day if you don't have a good biological filter or chemical filter. For my jars, I make up water in advance and keep it in the same area as the fish to age. That's what I use to change water. Whether you're using well water or tap water, let the water age for a day while the temps get the same. Use 1/2 teaspoon of non iodized salt per 1 gallon of water and treat (if necessary) with water conditioners. (I only use salt in my well water.) I always have water ready to do water changes and so should you.

Food: Bettas are insectivors/ meat eaters. Their diet should be made up of mostly meat products. Betta Pellets, Freeze Dried Worms, even Tropical Fish Flake foods are all fine if your fish is eating them. If they go uneaten, STOP FEEDING it and switch to another choice. In my early days, Bettas NEVER would eat flake food. Now, I raise most of mine on it. If it has the right ingredients, the fish will eat it.

Disease: The 2 main diseases the fish suffer from are fungus, which they get mostly when they are too cold and bacterial infections which they get when the water is too dirty. Remedies are simple: if you see fungus, raise the temp and use a fungicide. If the fins are bleeding or deteriorating, change the water and treat with an antibiotic. Using the salt will help prevent most other Betta problems.
(in the case of your Betta with the spot on his head, if the spot was fuzzy, it is a fungus infection. Just doing water changes won't cure that. If it was just a discloration, water quality might have been the issue so raising the temp and changing the water would be the answer.)

Please note, I said before that the fish need cleaner water. The problem of doing too many water changes is that fish kept in an almost sterile environment succomb to diseases much more rapidly than those kept in slightly dirtier environments. You have to act accordingly.

Finally, Bettas are one of the easiest fish to take care of. Don't over do anything and you should be succesful.
 
I must be doing something right cause hes in his 2 gal container now and at 80 degrees he has much more room to swim around in that a tiny cup even his one gal he was in and hes not getting agitated like he was in the smaller containers which says to me he needed more space to move around in. since bringing him home and dealing with the fin rot and fin loss he had and the discoloration on his head hes twice the size he was and his fins have completely grown back and he looks healthier and his color looks better...

that tells me that im taking care of him pretty good and keeping up with his water changes and hes an overall happy healthy betta...
 
Sounds good

I must be doing something right cause hes in his 2 gal container now and at 80 degrees he has much more room to swim around in that a tiny cup even his one gal he was in and hes not getting agitated like he was in the smaller containers which says to me he needed more space to move around in. since bringing him home and dealing with the fin rot and fin loss he had and the discoloration on his head hes twice the size he was and his fins have completely grown back and he looks healthier and his color looks better...

that tells me that im taking care of him pretty good and keeping up with his water changes and hes an overall happy healthy betta...

Sounds like it to me too.
The thing with all fish is that you must adapt your habits to the fish's needs. You can create more stability with more water volume. That doesn't mean that a smaller water volume can't be stable. It's just done differently.
As I said before, the fish will tell you when something is wrong. You just have to listen ;)
Best of luck...
 
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