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Old 07-30-2009, 03:51 PM   #31
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thoughts????
I guess if it;s a heavily planted FW tank that has very low stock and has 80%+ PWC weekly. it's possible..but idk, seems more likely that a bad test kit is involved.

As far as the bacteria thing goes, it's possible that many strains of bacteria go dormant when they are exposed to an environment they can not survive in, ---> hypothetical example ---> like drying out a filter pad (shipping live rock) or packaging live sand where there is no food.

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Old 07-30-2009, 03:56 PM   #32
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I would say if you have a fully cycled tank and tons of plants you might be able to have all zeros. Basically your plants are consuming more nitrates than the water column has. I would think some PWCs would take care of that. I'm not a big plant guy but I think I've read that somewhere.
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Old 07-30-2009, 04:37 PM   #33
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It's extremely difficult to reach a 0 nitrate equillibrium in FW. As stated, the tank must be densely planted and very minimally stocked.

I agree that there are a lot of smart people out there studying and developing the products, but there are also very smart people marketing them. Words like MAY increase, CAN aid in, etc. are marketing 101 ploys that do not legally bind the company to any results. I volunteer at the GA aquarium and the lead biologist for the FW gallery told me that he placed everything he could get his hands on onto the microscope before the exhibits were populated and the only thing that was found with ANY biological value whatsoever was biospira that was delivered cold. I'll take his word over that of anyone trying to sell their products. Caveat Emptor. I'm a bit cynical I guess though.
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Old 07-30-2009, 05:17 PM   #34
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HN1,

I would say you are cynical, but that is not a bad thing just cautious thing, that can also be a really good thing in certain situations, I am in the middle somewhere I have learned to research and investigate, wheather it be politics, religion, people or fish and try it if it does not work are meet my expectations, then nothing vetured nothing gained.

No doubt you are knowledgeable in this subject and may be cosidered old school in this case would be the natural way to do things some are not as patient to do that.

My patients is somewhat wore out after years of working with the most chronically mentally ill, or maybe it is just a age factor, if it is faster I am on it.

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Old 07-30-2009, 06:11 PM   #35
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"My question is this: Can you have all 0 readings in an established tank? 0 ammonia, 0 Nitrites and 0 Nitrates? Wouldnt that mean that there where no chemical processes happening at all in the water (not cycled). IE...no breaking down of waste materials....etc..? I have 0 for ammonia and NitrItes, but 0 NitrAtes?"
OOps I misread your Question....Yes, in my saltwater AQ. with a 4"+ sandbed, I have a 0 Nitrate reading. It is really neat to see the nitrogen bubbling out of the sand and back into the Atmosphere. A complete nitrogen cycle. Ammonia to nitrite to nitrate to nitrogen back into the air.. neat stuff...
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Thank you google. I found this site while looking for DIY LED projects.... came up with a thread where someoen was showing pictures of their LED lit tank.
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