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Old 02-02-2012, 09:41 AM   #121
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so I just got to read through the last day or so posts-- Yes mum I agree any amount of amon is a bad thing but some perimaters stay at a certain level. I have looked in all kinds of forums and specialist ( not the LPS) and they are started to agreee based on where and what type of water prior to the dechlor is added not all water will be completely free-- It might read 0 for a certain point but WC and other food and the like can change those readings all the time. I watch my tank everyday to make sure everyone is alive and happy I make sure my fish are eating, playing, searching there environment which shows they are curious and enjoying there home. NO one has been stressed ( except the guppies when I introduced the BN but bc they were the only ones there now everyone is good) my one female who was preggo and had been holding her fry is so comfortable she delvd yesterday morn!! of course she ate a few before I could get them but that is nature lol.... I think each person has to monitor there own tank and see what works best for the specific fish and how they are responded to said environ I am not saying that advice is a bad thing but we should all realize we all have diff fish we diff needs and if one tank might say .5 ppm and .0ppm but the fish are healthy and no suffering is apparent or evident then something must be working correctly. I upgraded my filter to a AC 50 about week ago and have always had plants and a bubbler volc for the water agit and added oxy in the tank. I think what I was trying to explain to scott which prob didnt translate well was to make sure his amn was ver low not u know 4.00ppm ike I have seen some readings and people want to put fish in YIKES ( not u scott) thats what I was getting at
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:57 PM   #122
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Kelley - thank you for the post, it truly amazes me how nice and helpful everyone is on this forum! I completely agree when you say that everyone is going to have different water parameters, and the most important thing is to watch my fish everyday and test my water to ensure their well-being. I plan to test my water in a few hours, so I will update with my results.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:12 PM   #123
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yeah thats all I watch mine all the time everyone is doing good and no one has a prob I just did a WC when gravel clean so now Ill wait about 2 hrs and check parameters everyone is very nice!
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:26 PM   #124
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hey on that cloralife t5 where did u get it? I think ours is 24" the houseing is 30" so u know.....
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:32 PM   #125
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UPDATE: Just checked my water parameters and I'm reading 0.5ppm of Ammonia in my tank. I checked my tap water and it seems to show 0.25ppm of Ammonia. The colors for testing Ammonia, using the API kit, are really similar though from my tap and my tank. Any suggestions on where I should go from here? I think I'm going to do a 60-70% WC and test it again in a few hours. Any advice/help is more than welcome!
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:35 PM   #126
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hey on that cloralife t5 where did u get it? I think ours is 24" the houseing is 30" so u know.....
Kelley - I actaully haven't invested in a T5 light fixture yet. I was gonna get one this weekend, but I accidentally cracked my hood doing WC's haha. So I'm looking into getting a versa all glass top, actually pretty cheap through Amazon. I did see some T5 light fixtures on petsolutions.com, you can check them out, but I advise you to research for the best possible price. Hope this helps and keep me updated on what light fixture you choose!
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:01 PM   #127
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so I just got to read through the last day or so posts-- Yes mum I agree any amount of amon is a bad thing but some perimaters stay at a certain level. I have looked in all kinds of forums and specialist ( not the LPS) and they are started to agreee based on where and what type of water prior to the dechlor is added not all water will be completely free-- It might read 0 for a certain point but WC and other food and the like can change those readings all the time. I watch my tank everyday to make sure everyone is alive and happy I make sure my fish are eating, playing, searching there environment which shows they are curious and enjoying there home. NO one has been stressed ( except the guppies when I introduced the BN but bc they were the only ones there now everyone is good) my one female who was preggo and had been holding her fry is so comfortable she delvd yesterday morn!! of course she ate a few before I could get them but that is nature lol.... I think each person has to monitor there own tank and see what works best for the specific fish and how they are responded to said environ I am not saying that advice is a bad thing but we should all realize we all have diff fish we diff needs and if one tank might say .5 ppm and .0ppm but the fish are healthy and no suffering is apparent or evident then something must be working correctly. I upgraded my filter to a AC 50 about week ago and have always had plants and a bubbler volc for the water agit and added oxy in the tank. I think what I was trying to explain to scott which prob didnt translate well was to make sure his amn was ver low not u know 4.00ppm ike I have seen some readings and people want to put fish in YIKES ( not u scott) thats what I was getting at
ALL cycled tank should have 0 ammonia and nitrite no exceptions. If it does not there is something wrong (cycling/mini cycling/ over stocked). Even if there is ammonia is the source water it will be quickly consumed by the bacteria in the tank. That is why dechlorinators like Prime are needed. They temporarily convert the ammonia in the tap water to a less toxic form but still leave it available to be consumed by the bacteria.
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ALL cycled tank should have 0 ammonia and nitrite no exceptions. If it does not there is something wrong (cycling/mini cycling/ over stocked). Even if there is ammonia is the source water it will be quickly consumed by the bacteria in the tank. That is why dechlorinators like Prime are needed. They temporarily convert the ammonia in the tap water to a less toxic form but still leave it available to be consumed by the bacteria.
Just got through doing another close to 100% wc. I'll let it run for a couple hours and check the ammonia again. I was really looking forward to getting my new fish today! Oh well, guess I'll just have to pray for the best. One question I did have is that I know bacteria will kill ammonia, but since I don't have any fish in there, is there any bacteria present to do this?
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Just got through doing another close to 100% wc. I'll let it run for a couple hours and check the ammonia again. I was really looking forward to getting my new fish today! Oh well, guess I'll just have to pray for the best. One question I did have is that I know bacteria will kill ammonia, but since I don't have any fish in there, is there any bacteria present to do this?
They will be starting to grow very slowly in very small numbers because you have had some ammonia in the tank. Did I read you have 0.25ppm of ammonia in your tap? That complicates thing just a tiny bit. You won't be able to get ammonia down past 0.25ppm during the cycle but once the tank is cycled the bacteria will be in high enough numbers to do the job. IMO if you can get ammonia down to that, keep up the prime every 24-48 hours to keep it converted and water changes as needed you can go ahead and get a few fish.
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They will be starting to grow very slowly in very small numbers because you have had some ammonia in the tank. Did I read you have 0.25ppm of ammonia in your tap? That complicates thing just a tiny bit. You won't be able to get ammonia down past 0.25ppm during the cycle but once the tank is cycled the bacteria will be in high enough numbers to do the job. IMO if you can get ammonia down to that, keep up the prime every 24-48 hours to keep it converted and water changes as needed you can go ahead and get a few fish.
Mumma - Thanks for clearing that up for me. Can you imagine, me doing daily 100% water changes, for who knows how long, trying to get my ammonia down to 0ppm, when I would have never got there! Well, if all reads the same after a few hours, I plan to go get some fish today. Will be some species of Tetra.

QUESTION: How much Prime should I dose in a 48 hour period? To my best guess I have anywhere between 30-32gallons of water in my 36g tank. Does this sound right? And since my tap is at 0.25ppm Ammonia, should I be worried if it read 0.5ppm, or when it reads 1.0ppm? Thanks!
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