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Old 03-05-2011, 10:07 PM   #1
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New 65g Salt Water Tank

Hello,

Could use some help.
Having problems with a new tank.
Set up first week in January with live rock.
Let the Nitrate Cycle Run for 3-4 weeks. Water quality good. added Chromis.

Started adding more fish- Chromis, Small Angel, Orange Dotted Goby, Jawfish, 4 Clowns, and more. Added Fish at different times- maybe 3-4 at a time.

Everybody has died, except for the Orange Goby. All the fish ( except the Clowns) seemed to develop Ich, and then 2-3 days later died.

The invertebraes ( 30 hermit crabs, 2 rock crabs- came with live rock, a cleaner shrimp, Pacific Pistol Shrimp) are all doing well.

PH is balanced, water quality good.
Water temp flucuates about 2-3 degrees each day- from 76.5 to about 78 or so.

Not sure what is going on.

Any thoughts or questions would be appreciated.

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Old 03-05-2011, 10:24 PM   #2
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I couldn't say, Ich can spread quickly.

Did you QT fish that you purchased? It also seems like you may have had too much bioload for your tank and introduced too much too quickly. You can experience spikes from that. I was told when I started that SW tanks are like race cars, the faster you go the harder you crash. I'm pretty sure a few guys on here can offer you some good insight on what happened. I'm sorry to hear about your losses though, good luck moving forward and welcome to AA.
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too many fish for that tank first of all. at least 8 you mentioned, plus more.
what are your parameters?
ammonia
nitrite
nitrate
ph
salinity

also, what test kits are you using?

the 2 degree temp swing didn't kill the fish.
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Old 03-05-2011, 10:31 PM   #4
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Thanks for the comments. Just joined the site, and trying to figure out how to navigate. Should I stay in this Portal, or ask the question in the Saltwater Forum area?

Anyway, I think you are right- probably too many fish at the same time.
The orange Goby seems to be doing fine- except looks like he has some Ich on his pectoal fins.

Scared to bring in any more fish until I figure out whats happening.

Have waited over a week, to see if any other changes, but everything seems tobe doing fine.

Any suggestions on fish to try- 2-3 Chromis, or Anthias? Not sure.

Also, the 4 clowns all died at the same time- Water temp was moving up and down 3-4 degrees before.

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I couldn't say, Ich can spread quickly.

Did you QT fish that you purchased? It also seems like you may have had too much bioload for your tank and introduced too much too quickly. You can experience spikes from that. I was told when I started that SW tanks are like race cars, the faster you go the harder you crash. I'm pretty sure a few guys on here can offer you some good insight on what happened. I'm sorry to hear about your losses though, good luck moving forward and welcome to AA.
As far as the QT- Floated the Bag for 10 min, then added some tank water, waited 5 min, then poured fish into small container, netted and entered into tank. trying not to add the store water into my tank.
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Before you add anything else you need to ensure your water is stable. As Mr. X said, what are you parameters and how are you testing for them? The test strips are highly inaccurate. On a side note, in such a small tank you should never keep more than two clowns and you can't put more than one species of clown in the same tank. What kind of clowns did you have?
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As far as the QT- Floated the Bag for 10 min, then added some tank water, waited 5 min, then poured fish into small container, netted and entered into tank. trying not to add the store water into my tank.
Ok, that is not QT. To QT livestock you need to have separate tank set up to isolate your new fish until you can be sure it has no parasites or illness. If the animal is sick you can treat it while it is in the QT.
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too many fish for that tank first of all. at least 8 you mentioned, plus more.
what are your parameters?
ammonia
nitrite
nitrate
ph
salinity

also, what test kits are you using?

the 2 degree temp swing didn't kill the fish.
I think you are right on the number of fish. Too many at the same time- no one seemed to be happy in the tank before- Have a center stack of live rock, with a few small frag corals.

I have the water tested at the store- maybe I should buy the kit and do at home? As of a week ago- No signs of amonia, nitrate, nitrite. The PH was low ( I want to say ~7 about a month ago), and I added a powder from the store, to bring it to about 8.3. The salinity was in the acceptable range.

Good to hear the temp isn't killing them. I bought a heater and set it at 76 degrees- seems like it never needs to turn on.

Not sure what is causing the ich. The last 3 surviors were orange anthias, and they died one by one, building on ich. The cleaner shrimp was doing great business until they died.

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You shouldn't really float and add water, the best method of acclimating is a drip acclimation. You put the fish is a clean container with the water from the store. Get some small air tubing and start a siphon, secure one end in your tank and tie the other end in a slipknot. Tighten it until the water just begins to drip rather than flow, put it into the container. Continue the drip until your have doubled or tripled the water in the container. Then you are good to introduce the livestock.
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also research the individual fish. anthias won't work in a 65 IMO.
you also have to give time for your bacteria colony to grow to meet the bio load. adding one fish a week or every other week would be a safer plan.

i would invest in a saltwater master test kit from API. they are pretty cheap and may save lives.
Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Saltwater Liquid Master Test Kit
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