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Old 02-17-2011, 07:42 PM   #21
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No pH altering chemicals!! Your pH is a little high, but it ok for most tropical fish. pH altering chemicals are not good. They can easily cause pH crashes... and they alter the pH very quickly. Swings in pH are far more dangerous to fish than having a steady pH that might be less than ideal.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:53 PM   #22
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pH is still high, the ammonia and nitrites are are at 0.15, but how can I lower my pH naturally while cycling with fish? COnstant PWC's???
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PWCS wont lower your pH...

Why do you think you need to lower it? Is it still testing at 8.0 on the high range? What fish are you keeping that you think need a lower pH?
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Yes, today the pH was 7.8 The API booklet says (6.0 - 7.6) so maybe I'm being overly cautious?? I lost all 3 Zebras and 1 Platy so far and want to avoid any other losses...
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Keep 5 neons and 2 platties... THey all seem happy!
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:28 PM   #26
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pH isn't why you are losing fish... your pH is plenty close enough.

How is the ammonia level doing? That would be my concern.
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Just want to say that fort384 is giving you excellent advice...every time I think of something to contribute, fort beats me to it!
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Old 02-21-2011, 02:59 PM   #28
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I am super grateful for ALL of the advice Fort and other people have provided! Great Site!!!
Since I got a package 20gal Tank complete with filter, biowheel, Heater, LED lights and Temp strip.
My concern (and I'm sure I know the answer) is the Temperature Strips total Crap?

Also My buddy has a tits looking aquarium and was quick to say use
API Stress Coat +
API Stress Zyme +
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After all I am learning I am skeptical to add anything but a lil Prime...

As the "Fish-in Cycle" is proving to be a stress. I am seriously (against my wife's approval) considering pulling the fish out to do it right. If I do will I need to ditch the water and clean the rocks??
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The stress coat stuff isn't going to hurt if you use it. If the fish are healthy, it is not required. I personally never add anything to my tanks but prime (aside from fertilizers for my plants). The key is keeping the water clean and healthy... and the only way to do that is PWCs. I change about 50% once a week (obviously while you are cycling with fish, it takes much more than that). I think a lot of problems are experienced in the hobby when people overstock their tanks, don't do regular PWCs in sufficient quantity, and then turn to chemical solutions to fix the problems (although it doesn't fix the underlying causes/issues... it just puts a bandaid on whatever the real issues are).

The aquarium salt is not necessary either. It won't hurt anything if used properly, but I doubt it would help much either. Very few fish need it to be at their best.

If you return the fish and do a fishless cycle, there would be no need to ditch what you already have started... it should be fine.
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My concern (and I'm sure I know the answer) is the Temperature Strips total Crap?
Are you talking about those little stick on thermometers? I am sure it is probably fine. Something like this?



Like pH, constant temp is more important than exact temp. Most tropical fish do pretty well in a fairly wide range of temperatures. If you are keeping the tank in the 70s, it is probably fine.
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