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Old 03-08-2011, 10:05 AM   #81
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Neons are usually not a good choice for a newly established tank. They are very sensitive to water quality. I suspect that is your issue. Cardinals are even more sensitive and I wouldn't recommend them for a first fish.
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Can't freakin' win! Always something!
Will adding live plants help? What are good NET fish?
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Zebra danios are good for cycling tanks. But it's cruel to do it to any fish and I wouldn't suggest replacing anybody.
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The tank is cycled already.

Sorry Joe, what size tank is it again?

Also, neons could work out ok... but like I said they are sensitive. It could come down to acclimation and how you add them to the tank.
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20gal tank.
I put the bag in the tank for about 35min, then drained about half the water, added tank water, waited another 30 min, drained half the water and repeated the process.

Btw I recently learned about drip acclimation...
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Would think that is sufficient acclimation. You may try a drip next time. It is possible you got a bad batch of neons. That is not uncommon.
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Well 2 of the the tank ones started nipping at each other as soon as they saw the new ones. Today 2 new ones are dead. It is quite evident that they were partially eaten on their bellies. The remaining one seems to be jiving with the other 4.
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Today went an aquarium store and started talking about my new tank, they all had the same reaction when I told them I have been doing PWC's several times a week! They ALL said it was slowing the cycle down and I should have never touched the water!!! Also they tested my H2O with an API kit and it showed Ammonia, when I got home I tested my H20 immediately and it showed the Amm was fine! Somethings very fishy!!!
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Performing PWCs will not slow a cycle... they are wrong. Nitrifying bacteria do not float around in the water... they live on surfaces, especially the biological media in your filter. It is a common misconception in the industry that PWCs will stall a cycle, that you cannot change large amounts of water at the same time, etc. They are all false. They are perpetuated among many employees who have never actually cycled a tank. A lot of fish stores all run off the same central filtration, so there is no need to cycle a "new tank". You won't find many people who have been maintaining their OWN tanks for many many years who would come close to agreeing with those misconceptions. I myself keep some of the most sensitive freshwater animals you can keep, and change the water at least 50% once a week, and often more than that. It is a small tank... so if the water changes were bad, they would effect the tank very quickly being that it is minimal volume. The science says so long as the water you are adding is ok (dechlorinated, does not contain excessive TDS, ammonia, or PO4) then changing it often is the healthiest thing you can do.

The ammonia is an issue. Are you both using API liquid test kits?
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Yes, the same kits. Although they kinda sloppily did the tests (ie holding finger on the cap when shaking) also, they used a syringe thing which made me think that it could be contaminated.
All of the tanks in the place are individual ones. They were recommending some bacteria stuff to put in the tank, and as you know I'm doing my darnedest not to put anything in. A few tanks were being "Medicated"
Either way I am going to hold off on getting any more fish for another few weeks. Although this hobby has been fun it's becoming increasingly frustrating. Seems just having a tank for a long time is the ONLY way to truly understand how it all works...
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