Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Community Forum > Member Introductions
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 09-14-2014, 12:20 AM   #1
Aquarium Advice Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 4
Tell me how I am doing...please...

Tank has been set up for 6 weeks. Did a fishless cycle. Had our ammonia spike and drop, had our nitrite spike and drop, and now have nitrates. We did a 50% water change, waited 24 hrs, tested again, and added fish. Our levels are at around 0.1 ammo, 0 nitrite, 3.0 nitrate. Temp. is 74 F and pH 8.2 (fish shop is at 8.4). We added 3 black skirt tetra to our 20 gal. They seem very lethargic. Is that just how they adjust? Or am I missing something? They seemed a little pulled around (maybe by the current?) so I turned off the bubble stone and opened the mid-level intake on our Marineland Penguin 150 biowheel. Please let me know how I am doing!
__________________

__________________
crunchygirl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2014, 01:56 AM   #2
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 11
Your doing fine I would continue personally with a 10 % WC daily, and start stocking with your preferred stock. I would if you arent already, add carbon to your filter media, i swear by it, others dont. Ammonia and nitrite are your biggest concerns, and while your still showing ammonia i would ask what your using to test? the API kit or strips? either way a daily WC for a week of 1 - 2 gallons should be all you need to finish your nitrogen cycle

Just dont add your whole stock at once; add 2 - 3 every now and then until you are stocked up
__________________

__________________
Airious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2014, 02:52 AM   #3
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
MICEY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SPRINGFIELD,OREGON
Posts: 490
FORGET CARBON IT IS A WASTE of money unless you need to remove meds or clear tannins
you are better off with chempure or puregen if you want chemical filtration, but most people do not need it
__________________
MICEY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2014, 01:57 AM   #4
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 11
Not sure why you think Carbon is a waste... Yes technically its a chemical filtration but it is one of natures most effective natural filtration methods as well. With that put aside, I dont use carbon to remove things that I have put into the water, ( I dont add ANYTHING to my water ) I use carbon to remove the impurities that comes from using tap water; but even more, Because the water clarity you get from a carbon filtered water is amazing. same concept as carbon being able to turn brownish, tannin filled water to crystal clear, it at least to my eye keeps my water as pristine, if not better than using a diatom filter.
__________________
Airious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2014, 02:25 AM   #5
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
MICEY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SPRINGFIELD,OREGON
Posts: 490
I used to use carbon for years till I tried chempure and the next morning I thought they tank leaked all the water till I seen the fish flying through the air
carbon works as a place for bacteria great for a long time but as a chemicla filtration media for only a few days
chem pure or puregen do a better job are cheaper in the long run , and makes less of a mess
I also used to use a diatom filter but chempure makes the water clearer , but the diatom is great for filtering particles and parasites
__________________
MICEY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2014, 02:48 AM   #6
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 11
I admit I have never used chemi pure in my tanks; and after reading your post I have been researching it like crazy, but I still dont see why the extra expense of chemi pure is worth it; for two reasons, and maybe you could help me understand more your point of view, but the only two benefits I see of chemi-pure over straight carbon is 1) Constant PH levels. TBH this should never be an issue in a maintained tank. The PH stays constant in my experience unless you add water from a different source, or just dont water change like you should, i guess it would also change if you add a media that is designed to effect PH :P

2) I read a few times about the Ion something or another affects. Dont get me wrong, sure the chemi pure may do that; but I have never had to go to such an extreme to raise beautiful, happy, breeding fish.

Now to somewhat agree with your use, I see many people raving about the use of chemi pure and purigen along with eachother. Why? What benefits do you see with this? All I see TBH (With out using either of the products myself) is a ploy to claim better fish health without any actual evidence of such...
__________________
Airious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2014, 03:00 AM   #7
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
MICEY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SPRINGFIELD,OREGON
Posts: 490
it removes all unwanted organics , tannins, ammonia, nitrites and nitrates
I normally do not use any carbon or other chemical filtration except in African tanks
the high ph makes the ammonia super toxic ant very low levels , and a dead fish , unseen or a missed water change could kill all your fish
African tanks also tend to be over crowded
chempure or puregen will absorb ammonia super fast and will last in a 50 gal tank about 6 months and then can be regenerated , carbon takes alot longer does not work for more than a few days and is not cheap and not regeneratable for most people
try it you will like it , it also lessens algia by removing nitrates
it does not replace water changes , but may lessen the need for them so often
__________________
MICEY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2014, 03:31 AM   #8
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 11
Im not the arguing type, but I would submit to you

"it removes all unwanted organics , tannins"

This is exactly what carbon does.

"ammonia, nitrites and nitrates"

This is a non issue in a properly cycled fish tank : IE The nitrogen cycle

"carbon takes allot longer does not work for more than a few days and is not cheap and not regeneratable for most people"

Carbon lasts up to a month; give or take on tank population, is cheaper than chemi -pure and is 100% rechargeable.

"it also lessens algae by removing nitrates "

1 pleco takes care of the algae... again nitrates being a natural part of the nitrogen cycle

"it does not replace water changes , but may lessen the need for them so often"

I cant see a bad in this, no one like water changes, but i must point out that if you rely on chemical filtration as opposed to letting the nitrogen cycle fully develop, you always run a risk of not changing the chemical filration soon enough thus causing a fish die off. If your 'chemical filtration" replaces the natural nitrogen cycle, you have to constantly ensure your water parameters are correct. regardless of the matter, no filtration method is better than constant water changes; IE would you drink a glass of water that was sitting out for a week? So why should your fish live in that type of water?

Furthermore; Chemi pure is mainly activated carbon
__________________
Airious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2014, 03:45 AM   #9
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
MICEY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SPRINGFIELD,OREGON
Posts: 490
wrong chempure is an ion replacing resin not carbon , and the only way to regenerate carbon is at high temps in an industrial oven
you are right about water changes being the best way and my son had a tank at school
that ran water from the bay into the tank 24/7 , with no filters needed
I over filter my tanks with almost pure bio filters and do weekly 30 % water changes
but , I use no chem filtration for most of my tanks , but there is a use for it under some conditions and in my 50 years or experience these resins work much better than carbon or zeolites
__________________
MICEY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2014, 04:20 AM   #10
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 11
Directly from the manufactureres website:

"Chemipure is a nylon filter bag filled with a high grade blend of activated carbons and ion exchange resins. The activated carbons filter particulates and waste while the ion exchange resins help remove nitrogen (ammonia and nitrate) build up which is harmful to your fish. "

Yes it does have attributes that remove components necessary to the nitrogen cycle, but IMO if you remove those attributes you are obligated to using the chemical for a much longer amount of time so you can develop your natural bio filter. Now if you plan to use chemi pure throughout the entire life cycle of your tank this may be acceptable to you, but i prefer to let my tank be as self sustainable as possible.

Zeolite, IMO is beneficial to those that get bit excited about setting up their tanks, but should be slowly weened off of from using in the following two months of being used, that way a complete nitrogen cycle can be developed.

Lastly, Carbon is fairly easily re activated by simple use of a microwave and hydrogen peroxide. Yes, I agree there are ways that will work better, but this method works just fine. Yet I would also like to point out that I have never re activated my carbon, The 10 dollar 23 ounce containers I get last me well over a year.
__________________

__________________
Airious is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Can someone tell me what my snail is doing to the thermometer?!? SandyCheeks Freshwater & Brackish - Invertebrates 4 02-22-2013 04:58 AM
Can someone please tell me what this fish is called please shazby Cichlid Discussion 11 11-05-2012 07:13 AM
How can I tell if my corals are doing well? carey Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started 5 03-10-2011 03:06 PM
Tell me if what im doing is right- please lyquidphyre Freshwater & Brackish - Getting Started 37 04-22-2004 01:23 AM







» Photo Contest Winners








Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.