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Old 07-15-2005, 04:40 PM   #161
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Are they falling off the glass? Most snails can't right themselves after they've fallen.
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Old 07-19-2005, 03:56 PM   #162
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Alex: I do have some fallen down that I have to upright them and they will be doing fine. But, I found empty shells and also some already died (you can smell it). I do see my cleaner shrimp nibbling one of the snail though. But I cannot confirm whether the snail died first and thus the shrimp feast it or the other way round.

Finally got to take some pics and update my tank. As you can see the Corraline is growing rapidly.
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Old 07-19-2005, 07:56 PM   #163
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Wow, interesting. What kind of bottom mat is that?

There doesn't seem to be much algae growth on the back wall -- give the back time to fully cover with algae and/or add more rock for algae supply.

Nature tends to balance itself out -- not enough algae or too many snails as there isn't anything from what it seems that would consume them or cause them to perish (unless you have skewed water specs which would give other signs).

I'm also one missing a large mexican turbo - but my dirty hermit ripped his shell off so mine isn't suspect of anything. Need to get the monster some alternate shells....
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Old 07-19-2005, 09:08 PM   #164
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The bottom mat is starboard.
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Old 07-20-2005, 09:55 AM   #165
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Schoeplein - The water parameters is fine. That is the first thing I do when I see snails dieing. Diatoms had been growing very slowly in my tank. That is what I setup my tank to do. I am suspecting the cleaner shrimp is part of it. I saw it dragging my YT to the rock and nibble on it right before the YT died in my old tank!!

Yes, the bottom mat is the black starboard.
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Old 07-20-2005, 05:27 PM   #166
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From the pic above it seems you astrea snails. They have a very hard time turning themselves back over. If you don't get to it in time, it dies. Either of natural causes or shrimp/crabs kill it. (Maybe even fish, though Ive never seen fish gobble a snail) Turbos are more likely to right themselves as well as cerith and nassarius. Margarita and others seem to not be able to right themselves unless they land facing glass or rock. As for you snail losses, I too have had very little luck in getting snails to live for more than a couple months in my 75G. I used to think it was the levels of PO4 or Si. Possibly sensitive to even the smallest temp swings. The longest living snail I had was an astrea, they seem to be the hardiest, but you have to baby sit them. Turbos are not very atuned to temp changes. In my 29G a simple water change would throw some of them into a state of shock. As of right now, I have no snails and 1 crab in both tanks. Im sure some of my hair algea would be a little less, but the pollution from 1 large turbo croaking is no longer worth the risk in my opinion. Some folks on the other hand have great success with snails. Still a bit of a mystery to me.
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Old 07-27-2005, 06:04 PM   #167
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PC; Yes, most of the snail is Turbo snail and I keep a ratio of roughly 1:3. I have about 90 Turbo and 30 cerith snail.

Lost another 3 last week. It just intresting to me that the snails I lost are all turbo/Astrea snail. all my cerith snail are doing fine


I am battling with Ph iisue in my tank right now. I recall 2-3 weeks ago, my Ph read 8.2. But doing the same measurement over the weekend show 7.3 8O . I had been adding Kalk right now to raise it slowly. Now, it is at 7.5. My Alkalinity is ok at 3. So, I am suspecting that my CO2 is excess since in my house, we close the window and let the AC runs.

Anyone has any thoughts on this??
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Ceriths can right themselves I believe. Ceriths and nassarius are my favorite snails. They can right themselves and don't get real big and knock over stuff.

Try opening a window for a day and see what happens with the PH.
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Ellisz: I did take a sample of the water and bring it outdoor to check it. Surprisely, I found the pH remain the same. Check my alk again and it is sitting at 3.5. At this time, I am slowly adding Kalk to increase it, and my ph is around 7.7 as of last night
I began to love Cerith snail too. I see them being the Hardiest I experience so far.
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Old 08-03-2005, 02:52 PM   #170
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Have the Ph back to 8.0 during light on and 7.5 during light off. Will continue to add Kalk to improve it.

I have no death snail for the past 3 days. Another improvement.

I also place a fan to blow at my sump and was able to lower the temp from 82F to 80F. Another issue fix . Used to be that it will be sitting at 82F and climb up to 84F end of the light period. Right now, it is sitting at 80F regardless.
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