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Old 09-15-2003, 08:51 PM   #11
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Old 09-15-2003, 10:25 PM   #12
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I think you made an excellent choice. Too bad I was unable to read this thread until later, but I have an Eheim and a Filstar. The "classic" style of Eheim (not the ECCO and not the Professional) is indeed stacked layers of media, no real dividers, so when you clean it you have to find containers to dump the media into, etc. However, having said that it is a wonderful filter. I don't think you will go wrong with any Eheim. The instructions are very brief and obviously translated, so you have to be very careful setting up and learning how to use them. I had a problem once and called them, and the chap on the help line was very helpful. Order your media online and there is no problem. I even use regular filter floss instead of the white fine filter pads, no problem, which you can get anywhere. Otherwise you have ceramic noodles, which you can get anywhere as well. Big Al's has the best price for media as well, as has been said. I think you will be pleased and it will last you a long, long time.
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Gee.. Thanks for throwing the Filstar XP3 into my mix

We are just about to get a slightly larger tank (75-100 gals) than my current 33 and had it down to either the Fluval 404 or the Magnum 350Pro.

(the Ehime 2026 or 2028 pro II with media are way out of my ball park at almost 2x the price and I don't know much about the older 2215 & 2217 and BigAl's dosen't mention what size tanks the ecco's can handle).

Anyway hopefully tomorow it is off the the store to measure some tanks so I can get started on building the stand for whatever we choose.

Oh ya, don't use cheep heaters
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Old 09-16-2003, 11:49 PM   #14
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I really love the XP3, because you can indeed adjust the flow rate at the spray bar, or you can use it at the power spray nozzle, depending upon which one you decide to install. I really like that feature, because for my 55 gal that is some serious flow! The medial trays are wonderful for maintenance, and the price cannot be beat.
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Old 09-17-2003, 02:38 PM   #15
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I visited the local BigAl's and they had a pile of Fluvals, Ehimes and Magnums as well a a wall full of spare parts for them.
They only had one filstar a xp2 in stock and no parts.
The lack of availability kind of worries me. I'l try to get to a different BigAl's location and see what they have in stock.

(BigAls is about the only aquarium store around here(ontario) unless you want to go to a petsmart of petco , for some reason or other all the good local petshops seem to have closed. )
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Peterp Try www.BigAlsonline.com much better selection and price. Funny enough big Al's home office is in Canada too, so your prices might be even cheaper.
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Heh, yes I took a look at BigAL's online and they want 209$cdn for the xp3.

I also took a wander through a petsmart today and it looks like they have the entire line of Rena products and parts in-stock. All for only about 25% higher price than BigAl's
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Just an FYI, Big Al's ships out of New York state for all US orders. This is good for a lot of people who live on the east coast but it seems like everything comes from California and takes up to 10 days to receive. My filters are not here yet, but I hope they show up tomorrow (Thursday).

Here are the flow specs and tank size info for the ECCOs:

Model #/Tank size/gallons per hour

2231 up to 35 gallons 127
2233 up to 60 gallons 145
2235 up to 80 gallons 185

Remember these flow rate are with media, and most companies rate w/o media in the filter. I ripped the data from drsfostersmith.com.
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Hi Grimlock3000,
I grabbed your table and added in info for the other manufacturers.

manufacturers claimed flowrates and recommended tank sizes
Model #/Tank size/gallons per hour

Ehime
ehime ecco series
2231 up to 35 gallons 127
2233 up to 60 gallons 145
2235 up to 80 gallons 185

ehime proII series
2026 up to 100 gal, 250 gph
2028 up to 160 gal, 275 gph
2260 up to 400 gal, 500 gph

Hagan
Fluval 104, up to 25 gal, 125 gph
Fluval 204, up to 40 gal, 180 gph
Fluval 304, up to 70 gal, 260 gph
Fluval 404, up to 100 gal, 340 gph

Marineland
Magnum 220, up to 40 gal, 220 gph
Magnum 350, up to ? gal, 350 gph

Penn Plax
Cascade 700, up to 65 gal, 185 gph
Cascade 1000, up to 100 gal, 265 gph
Cascade 1200, up to ? gal, 315 gph
Cascade 1500, up to ? gal, 350 gph

Rena
XP1, up to 55 gal, 250 gph
XP2, up to 75 gal, 300 gph
XP3, up to 175 gal, 350 gph
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Got the ECCO setup yesterday... I hate getting stuff that feels cheap, and this filter does not fall into that category. While being very simple, everything was solid and fit together extremely well. I loaded up the media baskets, and put the cover on, then connected the hoses in about 10 minutes start to finish. I zip tied all of the hose connections to make sure nothing funky happened. The outlet tube comes with no good way to attach it to the inside of your tank. You are supposed to suction cup the outlet tube to the back of the tank, but suction cups do not stick to background paper too good :P I zip tied the outlet tube to the power cord for my heater, so if the outlet tubes decides to fall out and spill water all over the floor, it is going to have a hard time doing it.

The self priming on the filter is amazing! The directions made it seem too easy, but I went ahead and move the handle down slowly as directed once everything was hooked up. Within seconds, water was flowing down into the canister, and air was blasting out of the outlet tube (and scaring my fish). It only took about 30 seconds for the canister to fill, then I locked it in place and plugged it in. The filter is almost silent, except for some water moving around in it making noise. Probably just a bit of air inside the filter, but nothing I am going to worry about for now. No new air is getting into the system, and that is what I am mostly worried about after dealing with my HOT Magnum.

Overall, I would buy another one of these filters with no hesitation.
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