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Old 09-10-2003, 05:15 PM   #1
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Best canister for a 26g tank? Filstar Vs Eheim Vs Fluval

I decided to return my HOT Magnum to avoid any potential future issues with the O-rings and D-ring leaking air into my water stream, or possibly even leaking water onto the floor. The quick connects are nice, but I would like something a little more snug. I can surely fix the air leakage (for now), but the Bio-Wheel fits on my tank wrong, my glass cover *barely* fits over the tubes, and my tank water is filled with little micro bubbles from the torrent of water going into the tank from the Bio-Wheel :P I am still using the Magnum until I get something to replace it with and return it. While the small bubbles leaking in might not be much, I really have trouble trusting the filter for long periods of time.

I am looking for a canister filter that will be reliable and low maintence. I have checked around and it looks like the Fluval 304 would give me the most filtration felixibility and I should not run into any leakage issues. And it is fairly cheap at Big Al's Online Other options are an Eheim ECCO, but those have a much lower GPH rating and it is harder to get the media for them in my area. I am willing to spend up to $90 or so, and even use a supplemental HOB filter if that would help.
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Old 09-11-2003, 05:48 AM   #2
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I would suggest a Rena Filstar. Although the Ehiem is probably the best filter, you can spend an arm and a leg to get one. Rena's are very capable filters and are more economical. Media containers for customization,quick disconnect,no bypass filtering, and the Rena comes with a few different options for returning water to the tank. You can check them out at BigAl's and here are two links for spec on the Rena's

http://www.rena.net/cgi-bin/trans.pl...lstar_xp.shtml

http://www.aquariumpharm.com/eqfilter.html
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Old 09-11-2003, 11:44 AM   #3
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The XP1 is 250 gph, but only has two media bays. The XP2 has 4 media bays, but pushes 300 gph which I suspect is going to be a bit much for some of the fish I might put in the tank. Is there a way to limit the flow on the Filstars?

I am also thinking about using a Fluval 204 and a Aquaclear 200 in combination. So many filters, so little time :O
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Old 09-11-2003, 03:41 PM   #4
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I don't believe there is. Although depending on how heavy your bio load is and wether the tank is planted or unplanted, you could probably use the xP1. What I always do is figure out the aquariums volume. Take number of gallons*231. That will give you the tanks volume in cubic inches. You want your filter to "turn" over the tanks volume 4 to 5 times and hour. So multiply tanks cubic inches*4 or . Then take the ouput flow of your canister and multiply it by 231. That number will be the max flow in cubic inches per hour. The number for filter flow should be great then the number tank volume*4 or 5. As for the Fluval filters, I couldn't say one way or the other. They always looked kinda cheap to me, but thats just my opinion. Also IMO it's better to have some kind of wet/dry bio filtration, then using a canister for bio. Although they have gotten a lot better. The Rena's use Bio-Balls or Ceramic rings.
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Old 09-13-2003, 11:27 PM   #5
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Or you can just divide to see how many times the tank water gets turned over per hour, like in this example:

250gph filter/26g tank= 9.6x turnover

Anyway, I found out the Filstars do indeed have a control valve for adjusting the overall flow rate through the canister, so I would be able to limit it. Also found out that the low Eheim gph is because the filters are rated WITH media in them, so it makes them hard to compare actual flow rates.

I am more worried about fish getting sucked onto the filter pickup them I am about the flow rate going back into the tank causing too much current. I have some guppy babies that need to get moved into the 26g tank, and they seem to be really bad avoid avoiding the intake current of a AC Mini which is only 100 gph I want to try to avoid putting a large sponge over the pickup or anything ugly like that

I have been reading up as much as possible on filters and the Fluvals seem to get trashed on quite a bit. I know someone with two Fluvals and his tank is beautiful, but I have read enough about them to really second guess purchasing one even though they look like the best deal.

Regarding Eheim, I do not believe I have read any people bashing those filters at all. Filstar has almost as good of a reputation.

When it really comes down to it, I am probably just being way to picky, and any canister should work fine. After having my HOT Magnum be a bad experience, I am just trying to make sure I get the right thing this time.

Current considerations:

Fluval 204
Eheim ECCO 2231
Filstar XP2

Reliability and ease of use are my main concerns, which I why I am thinking of the ECCO even though it has the lowest flow rate. Whichever canister I get is going to be used in combination with a small HOB filter as well.
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Old 09-14-2003, 01:07 AM   #6
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I never was a math wiz Anyways I think all three are good choices, with the ecco and the Filstar being the best two. Again I would go with the Filstar because of the cost and the media baskets. the ECCO is just a series of pads and sponges, so cleaning would be a pain, and you would have to replace them more often, also cleaning them would disrupt any beneficial bacteria. Thats why I love media baskets. Easier to clean, better longevity with filter media, cheaper too. In the end you gotta make the call though, either way you'll do fine, since you've been doing your homework
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Old 09-14-2003, 02:02 AM   #7
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Eheim canisters are top of the line.
But I use a fluval 404 on my 55gal. and haven't had a bit of trouble out of it.
It keeps the tank clean and the water crystal clear.
IMO the Fluval is the way to go it isn't as costly as an Eheim
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Old 09-14-2003, 03:11 AM   #8
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"Again I would go with the Filstar because of the cost and the media baskets. the ECCO is just a series of pads and sponges..."

I thought the media was in seperate containers in the canister? Are you saying that inside the ECCOs is just one big media container and you stack it all at once, so if you have to change the bottom, everything comes out? That would suck.

"IMO the Fluval is the way to go it isn't as costly as an Eheim"

The Eheim ECCOs are pretty cheap, only a few $ more than Fluval. The Ecco I am looking at is $65, compared to $50 for the Fluval 204 and $70 for the Filstar XP2. The main benefit of the Fluval would be the low inital cost, and the easy availibilty of the parts.

The canister I really want is the Ehim 2028, which is $159 w/media! 8O The larget Ecco is $90, and holds twice the media and flows 50% more water than the $65 model. Almost makes me want to spend the extra $25... But then for that much I could get a 404, or a XP3... Or another tank! LOL :P
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Old 09-14-2003, 03:51 AM   #9
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No, sorry I misspoke. The ECCO has media baskets as well. Geez Grim, Your making this hard on me now. I went and did another review of my facts, and I almost want an Ehiem now. I mean Rena is great too, but you can see that Ehiem really put a lot of thought into their filter. Hell the Ehiem have ceramic impeller shafts and carbon bearings, so you don't end up with magnet filings. Problem for me is I am setting up a 46 gallon, and they have a 35gal model and the 60gal model.Now I am just as torn as you...
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Old 09-15-2003, 02:11 AM   #10
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Well, after much consideration, I have ordered a Eheim ECCO 2233 and an Aquaclear 200. I simply could not find any big downsides to the ECCO, other than the fact that the manual is bad and a few people have broke the handle as a result of trying to force it. People that did comment on the ECCO said it was a breeze to start and maintain. The AC200 was dirt cheap and is just going to help move the water around the tank and hold carbon if needed. I also ordered some Eheim volcanic rock for biological filtration, and Eheim fine filter floss media which I believe is good for water polishing. The extra media was pretty cheap, the total order was...

AQUACLEAR 200 POWER FILTER $13.99

AQUACLEAR 200 FOAM - SINGLE $1.09

AQUACLEAR EXT. TUBE $1.49

EHEIM ECCO 2233 $79.99

EHFISYNTH- 1 LTR $2.99

EHFILAV 1LTR $4.49

I got the 2233 Eheim so I could have a third media bay to dedicate to biological filtering. With the 2231, I was going to have the biological media stacked on a sponge in the second bay and would have to move it to get the sponge. I ended up spending more than I originally wanted too just for that third media bay, so I hope it works out well. More filtration never hurt anyone, I am looking forward to clear water
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