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Old 11-02-2004, 02:12 PM   #11
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Although Mollies may benefit from salt, they have been kept for years in FW. More than likely they were bred in FW.

PWCs are the answer. Once the levels get fixed, the tank should be fine, as long as you do 20-30% PWC every week (or every other week).
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Old 11-02-2004, 04:09 PM   #12
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partial water changes until ammonia and nitrite become zero, if they never become zero, you need to reduce your fish stock, when you do your water changes do you vacuum the substrate? you should be if you're not

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I think your right, I will do more frequent PWC and reduce my fish stock (unfortunately).

I do vocuum when I do a PWC but I still can't get that ammonia down.

Thanks for the advice on the mollies, they do seem OK.

Last question...can you recommend a TEST Kit , I was told earlier in this thread that Quick Dip sticks are unreliable.
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Old 11-03-2004, 11:18 AM   #14
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If I were you I would purchase the liquid test, and use the strips in between your regular liquid test, instead of throwing them out.
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Old 11-03-2004, 02:55 PM   #15
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(takes a deep breath, prepares to be mocked, derided, castigated, flagellated, etc ) I still use a ugf (and a hob), and imo, it is beneficial. When I do my partial water changes I take off the uptubes an suck about half of the water by sticking the sipon hose down the tubes. This cleans out the bottom really well. I know someone who has their canister filter pull from their ugf. I haven't tried it but he likes the setup.
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:18 PM   #16
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I'm going to sound like a broken record , but UGF's aren't as bad as people make them out to be . They are great filters in certain situations . They are fine for tanks 30 gallons or smaller , for small fish such as tetras & rasboras , they are great for raising fry , & for tanks with fake plants or plants tied to driftwood or rocks .

They are not good for large messy fish such as plecos , cichlids , clown loaches , bala sharks , goldfish , ect . Cichlids in particular should not be used with UGF's , since they love to dig up the gravel thereby exposing the plates & making the filter almost useless . Live plants in the substrate will not thrive as well in tanks with UGF's .

To say that UGF's clog easily , are high maintenance , & are fish killers is an urban mythe on par with alligators living in the sewers of New York . All you have to do is weekly vacuming of the substrate , just like in any other tank , & a churning of the gravel with a gravel cleaner once a month . Any competant aquarist should be doing these things regardless of the type of filter that they are using . As for the gunk under the plates , it is not toxic . By the time it reaches the bottom , the bacteria living in the gravel have broken it down into harmless organic material . I have had this gunk come up with fry in the tank with no ill effects . To get rid of it , push the gravel away from your uptake tubes , remove the tubes , & then stick a small diametre hose into the opening & under the plates to siphon the gunk out . You do not have to empty your tank completely & remove the plates to clean the gunk out . That's simply a ridiculous & uninformed claim .

UGF's provide outstanding biological filtration , but no mechanical filtration . If you do plan to use a UGF ,you can use it in conjuntion with a HOB filter . All in all I would recommend a cannister or HOB filter , but I wouldn't dismiss UGF's entirely .
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I am still running an undergravel filter in my first tank (a 29g) and while my water is clear and algae free, I would not advise getting one. I do a water change and vacuum every week, and I only manage to clean about 5% of the gunk out every time. I also had problems with fry getting stuck underneath the plates, and it is a bit of a mission to get them out! I have just bought an Aquaclear 200 for another tank, and am very impressed with it. I know they cost more, but it's definitely worth going for a canister or HOB. Just my two cents.
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I too used UGF's for a long time..... NO problems.... I started my hobby as a 5th grader and kept fish for 10 years. In that time I never did any water tests.... just knew to be careful with new tanks and do water changes. I don't think I ever really overstocked tanks and the only losses I really had were Neon, which I don't seem to have much luck with. My fish have always been happy (active and eating well).

I don't advate UGF's or not testing just that you can make things work with what you have got with the cha..ching $$$ you have.
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Old 11-17-2004, 05:20 AM   #20
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P.S. I do test now that I am am all growed up and work and have just enough spondoolies to spend on such stuff.

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