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Old 08-27-2008, 03:49 AM   #1
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fluval 404 outlet to high out of the water

Here goes my first post
hope i posted in the right forum.

I have a 80gal fresh water tank that i just setup this is the first time using
a canister filter, had no problems getting up and running but it seems that
i cant get the outlet down far enough into the tank.

this 404 has the smooth hoses and the rim adapter to which the pickup
and outlet bits just push into.

i have the outlet elbow thing down as far as i can get it
(i even put a bit of tape to make a tighter fit so it could be on
even lower)
but the nozzle is still 100% out of the water and is very noisy and
there is lots of splashing going on, only way i can use it is to have
the flow turned way down, wide open it will move enough water
to start it flowing over the rim of the tank on the far side of the tank.
am i missing something?
is there a different nozzle that one can put on this thing to get it down
into the water?
any input would be good
thanks
matt
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:11 AM   #2
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Hey, I just setup a 304 although it has the ribbed tubing.

I'm kinda confused by what you say. AFAIK the rim adapter is only for the 104/204 models. Also the 04 series is supposed to come with ribbed hose, the 03 series had smooth hose. Now I know that they made many changes even w/ the same model numbers but so far I'm lost.

If you had a pic that would surely help.

Does your output nozzle look like this?
Directional Output Nozzle 104/204/304/404

are you using this?
http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS...madapter104204


Here's a pic of mine that I just setup
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If I understand your question right, you use one or the other... The rim adapter or the curvey thing (technical term). I'm not home right now to check for sure but I remember it being in the directions are one or the other. I'll check tonight.
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I was wrong as they did make a 404 with smooth hose and its likely the older version. Mine had ribbed hoses.

Also now after looking at that manual(look at pic "f.18"), I'm thinking if you have a standard rectangle tank and its full of water it should be OK. If not then you may have to do something else. I'm currently switching mine to smooth hosing and different inlets/outlets.

Actually it says that its adjustable to raise and lower
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Adjust the height of the Adjustable Output Adapter . It can be moved vertically above, below or at
the water surface. It can also be rotated horizontally to ensure output is pointed where current is
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Directions are here:
http://www.hagen.com/pdf/aquatic/Fluval04.pdf
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There is a better picture here (although it is the ribbed version and may not have the same pieces)

http://www.hagen.com/pdf/aquatic/Fluval04new.pdf
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Yeah thats how mine is, that is the "New" version 04, I think the OP's must be different because of the "rim adapter" and the smooth hose so it must be the "old" version 04.
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Mine 404 ribbed came with both. You might be able to buy the parts. I think the hose size is the same and it's a snug fit so it should hold
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Nowback, can you post a pic?
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WoW what a helpful forum, didnt expect so many replys so fast

the two parts listed bellow are what I have.

I thought I had the older 404 but when I went for a new impeller
I found that I have the straight blade version.
my manual and parts list show the ribbed hose and bent impeller.
who knows what I have since I picked it up used.
yes the tank is full.
the output nozzle is adjustable and I have it as far down as I can get it.
this is the reason I have the tape on it because its so far down that it
blows off without the tape.
even it I were to fill the tank to the max, the nozzle would still be out of the water.
I think I will end up getting some tubing / hose, and a couple hose clamps
and get it down where I think it should be.
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Does your output nozzle look like this?
Directional Output Nozzle 104/204/304/404

are you using this?
Fluval Rim Adapter(104-204) at Big Al's Online
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Now that you say it is used, you probably can just but the hose and cut it to your specs. You may want to double check the output, mine is hard to get off, so you might have the wrong output or hose.
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