Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > General Aquarium Forums > General Hardware/Equipment Discussion
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 07-25-2005, 10:10 PM   #11
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: cleveland OH
Posts: 484
Send a message via Yahoo to virus
hmm well its working good for my 30 Fresh tank but i guess ill switch the sand then, but i hear you that things blindside you in ANY kinda tank
__________________

__________________
29 Gallon FreshWater
6 Zebra Danios
1 Goruami
1 Rosy barb
3 Neon Swordtails
1 Platinum lyretail mollie
3 Cory Cats
1 Dojo Loach
1 Angelfish
10 Gallon
empt- but running

This is cool place to make a extra budget for ur fishies by reading emails
http://hits4pay.com/members/index.cgi?Virus
virus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2005, 10:10 PM   #12
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: cleveland OH
Posts: 484
Send a message via Yahoo to virus
are there any good site or place to get baserock? WOOOT im a FISH FREAK
__________________

__________________
virus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2005, 10:29 PM   #13
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Piedmont, NC
Posts: 4,580
hirocks.com is the cheapest place around shipped. liverocks.com also sells "live" baserock but you will pay more for it.
__________________
*The fact that no one understands you doesn't make you an artist.
*If guns kill people...Spoons make Michael Moore fat.
Brenden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2005, 11:03 PM   #14
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: michigan,upper
Posts: 288
if you don't mind to spend a little more money on your rock. I would go with liverocks.com they have the best rock out there. Beleive me its worth it in my mind. plus u get lots of life with there rock. Some bad some good. Like i said if money don't matter i would get like 20lbs of base rock and 20lbs of keys or gulf. The keys rock is really pretty but not much life and the gule still looks good but has more life. It was just a thought to maybe help u out....good luck saltwater is fun
__________________
never count on nothing, that way you'll never be disapointed!
morgan24 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2005, 03:22 AM   #15
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
schoeplein's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,213
I added about four pieces of liverock to my tank (from an already established tank) - and collected about 300lbs of Texas holy-rock from "clean" areas (bleached as a secondary preventative measure). Saved myself about $1500 if I had purchased it all as live - plus prevented from having all of the negative hitch-hikers (save from featherdusters, pods and snails). Some people appreciate hitch-hikers - but I'm not interested in battling aiptasia, mantis shrimp, or anything else like that. The only problem with this is waiting four weeks for it to cure and another four weeks for coraline to propagate accordingly (there are additives to help increase coraline growth significantly, but I'm anti-additive as well, hehe).

Once you start, you'll have the mind-set of working slowly - but you'll get impatient, we all have, and still do - and you end up buying something you didn't really have to buy for way more than you should have just because you wanted it at the time. Dont lie, I know we're all guilty . (My mistake was a mandarin added at the two-month mark).

Before you even begin, you should know what kind of tank you want:
-Fish only/FO (Predator or peaceful or both)
-Fish only with Live Rock/FOWLR (predator or peaceful or both)
-Fish with liverock and coral/Reeftank (typically only peaceful, but you can get away with some predatory fish - tho it will generally prevent you from adding hermits, snails and the like for a cleanup crew)
-Liverock and coral only/Reeftank (no fish)

Some might even go into subcategories of whether or not you want an anemone (or two or more) or clam(s) - but this list is about as simple as it gets.

The selections below do not affect your fish/coral choices, but you should have this figured out first as sand is typically the first thing added after the water:
Barebottom (no sand)
Thin sand-bed (less than 8")
Deep sand-bed (more than 8")

Also, something to keep in mind, know your limitations. How big is the tank going to be will be a huge deciding factor on the type of fish and how many you can keep -- how many you can keep will also be regulated by the type of tank you have (listed above). Whether or not you can choose one of the above will also be limited by the lighting you provide your tank (NO - 10-40w per bulb, HO - 40w+ per bulb, VHO - 110w/160w per bulb, PC - 65w/96w per bulb, MH - 175w/250w/400w+ per bulb, total wattage amount, type of bulbs, and watts per gallon are common terms to research).

All of this, of course, will be regulated by the time you're willing to put into the tank (time, of course = $$$$). I was fortunate enough to have a significant amount of my tank and accessories donated (tank, stand, fuge, UV, pumps, various NO lights that have since been replaced and the four pieces of rock listed above), however there are tons of upkeep expenses: water changes (purified water ($) & salt ($) ), test kits ($), food ($), and additives ($). Though I haven't spent much on my tank personally, it has still added up after about 8 months to around $1500-2000 mark. But do not fret, expendatures decrease the longer you've had your tank (and can possibly reverse if you begin selling coral frags to others/LFS), and some long-term expendatures can be resolved by purchasing something to prevent the recurring expense (6-stage water filtration devices would be a prime example of this).

If you want to save yourself a TON of money, check for a local aquarium hobbyist forum/classfied ads. I purchased my Icecap 660 setup (four URI bulbs retail for about $25-40per, ballast retails for $170ish, digital timer retails for about $100) from a local guy for $120. My MH setup was $75.. again

Even with all of the dinero I've dumped into this hobby, I have never regretted spending a single dime of it! Its ROI (return on investment) has been 10-fold.

If this isn't more information than you could absorb in one sitting - I must be doing something wrong.

And as always, welcome to the forums, and best of luck in your adventure into saltwater. 8)
__________________
schoeplein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2005, 01:45 PM   #16
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: cleveland OH
Posts: 484
Send a message via Yahoo to virus
ok ima going to tell what i want so i can get a better list,
A 29 gallon
Fish only with liveRock and Coral
A thin Sand bed
but what are the diffrences of FLOWLR then with Coral?
__________________
29 Gallon FreshWater
6 Zebra Danios
1 Goruami
1 Rosy barb
3 Neon Swordtails
1 Platinum lyretail mollie
3 Cory Cats
1 Dojo Loach
1 Angelfish
10 Gallon
empt- but running

This is cool place to make a extra budget for ur fishies by reading emails
http://hits4pay.com/members/index.cgi?Virus
virus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2005, 01:54 PM   #17
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,111
The main difference is tolerance. Corals are less tolerant of water parameter changes (need to test/dose Ca/Alk), Nitrate (more frequent water changes and/or skimmer) and light requirements (while there are some non-photosynthetic corals like sun polyps who need to be fed) most other corals will not survive under NO ($) lighting. There are many that will do well under PC lighting ($$) and even more who will enjoy basking in the brighter light of MH ($$$). Shoot for 2#/G of live rock at the optimal (not necessary all at once in the beginning).
__________________
Phyllis

Join the NJ Reef Club Today! Saving the world's reefs one living room at a time!
MACNA XXI Atlantic City, NJ September 25-27, 2009
Phyl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2005, 02:17 PM   #18
Aquarium Advice Activist
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: las vegas
Posts: 109
I am interested in starting a tank as well, except mine is a 55g. What equitment do I need for a FOWLR tank?
__________________
manooosie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2005, 02:31 PM   #19
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,111
The list would be the same no matter what size the system (the parts would just be larger). You'll NEED rock (70/30-80/20 base/live split 1-2 #/g), salt, sump if possible, flow of at least 10x your water volume per hour (20+ for corals), for FOWLR you won't NEED PC lighting but it will improve the look of the tank. You'll also need test kits, refractometer and ph meter. Light stocking and skimmer help to ease maintenance and algae issues.
__________________

__________________
Phyllis

Join the NJ Reef Club Today! Saving the world's reefs one living room at a time!
MACNA XXI Atlantic City, NJ September 25-27, 2009
Phyl is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
29 gallon, equipment

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
55 gallon - what basic equipment? martonic Freshwater & Brackish - Getting Started 27 12-24-2007 01:14 AM
New Equipment for My 55 Gallon blackhorse Saltwater Fish Only & FOWLR 7 06-10-2007 10:54 PM
equipment check-list jackm General Hardware/Equipment Discussion 3 02-24-2006 03:07 PM
Equipment list and feeding question cplawrence Saltwater Reef Aquaria 5 11-30-2005 12:32 PM
I need a equipment list for 55 gal tank. sdveirs Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started 5 01-12-2005 02:36 PM







» Photo Contest Winners








Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.