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Old 08-13-2008, 09:19 PM   #11
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They both have their fans. Both are good filters. Online (Foster & Smith) the XP3 is $169 and has a max flow rate of 350 gph. The Fluval 305 (260 gph, up to 70g) is $149 but the Fluval 405 is rated to 100 gallons (340 gph) but is $199. I bought an XP3 for my 55 with the intention of upgrading to a 75 later on. The XP3 gets you the gallons per hour of the Fluval 405 but is $30 less.
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:58 PM   #12
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Speed, how much did you pay for the 304?
I Got it from Ebay for $67 shipped to my house. I think the 404 is $85 shipped.
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Thanks for the input guys, I just checked out that ebay site for fluval 405 for only 80 bucks plus shipping I think I might try it out, but does anyone have experience with the Fluval 404 is it user friendly? Thanks Again!
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I think the Fluvals are good filters. Its more like a 50/50 with them now as some people that used them had issues, then the Rena Filstar's were cheap and a good deal but they have since gotten more expensive.

The Eheim are highly recommended by almost everyone but more $$$

On the Fluval's the replacement parts are available but they change many things on the same model filters over the years so they are all pretty much a little different as far as parts. Also watch the plastic handle/clamp/locks as people tend to break them(they are replaceable).

So far my 304 is very nice, quiet, flows well and a great deal. Although I'm a noob so I dont have much experience.
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Well Cheesehead whichever Fluval you go with would be a good one they are basically great for the money.... I think they all work the same just different brand name....
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Thanks Tank, one more thing! I've thinking about buying a fluval from e-bay and this lady said it comes with everything except hosing and fitting, it is not supposed to come with that right? Or is that why the price is under $100 for a 405? I hope its a good deal because those run up to about $200.
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A canister in a FW would be better then the HOB but i would use both. Its the amount of stock you have that helps with carbon life. Low stock and good carbon might mean 2 or 3 months. Lots of stock and lower carbon might mean monthly or even bi monthly. I think you should be able to tell from your water readings. Just keep the ammonia level as low as possible.
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Thanks Tank, one more thing! I've thinking about buying a fluval from e-bay and this lady said it comes with everything except hosing and fitting, it is not supposed to come with that right? Or is that why the price is under $100 for a 405? I hope its a good deal because those run up to about $200.
The Fluval's come with everything AFAIK, except maybe enough media to fill the filter(all hoses and fittings), thats one thing the Eheims are supposed to come with(enough media to fill the baskets). Like mine has 3 baskets. It came with carbon and some ceramic noodles. So that would fill 2 baskets, but I dont use carbon like many others. So I bought some 100% polyester batting(pillow stuffing) for the top tray, used the noodles in the 2nd tray and going to put some bioballs in the 1st tray(I purchased but they are on back order).
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Which Fluval you want? the 404 or the 405?
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I agree with Speed, that unit should come with the hoses, fittings, ceramic rings, and I think a bag of carbon (at least the 304 did).
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