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Old 09-04-2009, 05:16 PM   #41
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It cures different in Canada, eh?
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Old 09-04-2009, 05:31 PM   #42
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It cures different in Canada, eh?
Must be the air.
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Old 09-04-2009, 05:59 PM   #43
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Easy guys, it's nothing personal, everyone has different opinions - I think we've got all viewpoints covered so I think we can drop the 'safe curing time' discussion part of this thread.
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As far as misinforming people, I think not, I've been dealing with silicones for over 20 years and have never had a problem when I used the correct silicone for the correct application. I went to the manufacturer for it because it is what they use and is specifically designed for bonding and sealing glass aquariums which can handle the stress of all the water. Most importantly no matter what is said if you don't install the silicone properly it doesn't matter if you wait 24 hrs or 24 days it's still going to leak.
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I'm curious as to the "specially designed for bonding and sealing glass aquariums" part. Is this on the label (I have not seen Perfecto brand silicone)? Since most silicones are rebranded GE or Dow silicones, regardless of what the label says ( I would be willing to bet that neither AGA or Perfecto manufacture silicone), it is a safe bet that they are pretty much the same in terms of cure. I have yet to use any silicone that doesn't still have a strong vinegar smell after 24 hours. It would be safe to say also that it would be possible, or even likely that the bead could be much thicker than 5mm (1/5"). The layer between bonded sections is in fact thinner and would cure more quickly than the bead. So, I would never advise anyone to wait only 24 hours, especially since I have no idea how thick a bead they have put on. This is where I have a problem, with making general statements. GE Silicone I for windows and doors says not suitable for aquariums on it. This is not because it is toxic, but rather to negate liability. It also says not to be used below water, or in marine applications. The tubes I use also say this, but in addition say "ideal for aquariums". Sounds like a contradiction in terms, except that the vast majority of silicone is not used for aquariums, but in the construction trades as a caulk. This was it's original purpose. A local stumbled onto the idea of using it to stick 5 pieces of glass together to make an aquarium, back in the late 50s. He and 2 others went on to found Crystal Aquarium.
I have to agree that if the silicone is not applied correctly, cure time will not be an issue. I have not used GE I because I have been able to get the house brands for less. The first tank I built back in the mid 60s was done with Dow silicone. It is still in use today with the original silicone bonding it together.
As far as curing time being different in Canada, I can't say, as all the silicone I have used comes from the US.
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I'll second the vinegar smell, the 37 still stunk 2 days later, though it was not very detectable by the 3rd day.

FYI re-stripped the seals yesterday (Thurs) and it's a good thing - seals were way too thin. Gonna give it another go tomorrow.

Getting into this possibly as a money-making hobby, I found a 125 on craigslist for $50 / best offer, back pane is cracked and he just decided to buy a new one. I wonder how much the glass would cost and how much of a fit the wife would pitch if I got it.
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Old 09-05-2009, 08:19 AM   #46
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I'm curious as to the "specially designed for bonding and sealing glass aquariums" part. Is this on the label (I have not seen Perfecto brand silicone)? Since most silicones are rebranded GE or Dow silicones, regardless of what the label says ( I would be willing to bet that neither AGA or Perfecto manufacture silicone), it is a safe bet that they are pretty much the same in terms of cure. I have yet to use any silicone that doesn't still have a strong vinegar smell after 24 hours. It would be safe to say also that it would be possible, or even likely that the bead could be much thicker than 5mm (1/5"). The layer between bonded sections is in fact thinner and would cure more quickly than the bead. So, I would never advise anyone to wait only 24 hours, especially since I have no idea how thick a bead they have put on. This is where I have a problem, with making general statements. GE Silicone I for windows and doors says not suitable for aquariums on it. This is not because it is toxic, but rather to negate liability. It also says not to be used below water, or in marine applications. The tubes I use also say this, but in addition say "ideal for aquariums". Sounds like a contradiction in terms, except that the vast majority of silicone is not used for aquariums, but in the construction trades as a caulk. This was it's original purpose. A local stumbled onto the idea of using it to stick 5 pieces of glass together to make an aquarium, back in the late 50s. He and 2 others went on to found Crystal Aquarium.
I have to agree that if the silicone is not applied correctly, cure time will not be an issue. I have not used GE I because I have been able to get the house brands for less. The first tank I built back in the mid 60s was done with Dow silicone. It is still in use today with the original silicone bonding it together.
As far as curing time being different in Canada, I can't say, as all the silicone I have used comes from the US.
Boy you don't give up do you. You are probably correct and they more than likely outsource it with strict specifications/requirements which must be met as does the company I work for with some of their equipment. It's a common practice and doesn't mean if DOW makes silicone for 10 different companies that they are all exactly the same formula. IMO I would spend the extra money (It's not a wallet buster by any means and isn't the area worth skimping on, If you want to really save money build a sump, reef lighting, canopies, stands, or repairing a broken tank etc where you will really see and feel the savings not the couple of bucks on tube of silicone.) just buy the silicone specifically for aquarium use and use it, you'll sleep better I know I do.

Floyd, keep us updated on your progress. Looking forward to seeing it filled with fish soon.
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Old 09-05-2009, 10:11 AM   #47
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I'm going to END this feud by quoting EXACTLY what is on the box and tube for the ALL-GLASS AQUARIUM brand 100% SILICONE AQUARIUM SEALANT. They're a aquarium maker. So they know their fecal matter.

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STEP 1-5: empty, dry, razor old silcone, clean with alcohol, cut tube, apply, yada yada...

Step 6: To achieve a final smooth seal use a flat tool and a dry paper towel to remove excess sealant within five minutes. Any addition excess of the glass can be carefully trimmed after 24 hours, but be sure not to cut into the seal. When finished recap cartridge immediately. All-Glass 100% silicone aquarium sealant cures in five minutes and fully bonds within 24 hours. To ensure a leak-proof seal, allow at least 48 hours before filling the aquarium with water.

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That's all-glass saying that and I'm sure they've done their testing to cover their behind.

I'm with InfernoST (what does the ST stand for by the way?) that it probably doesn't matter if you wait 24 hours or 24 days, once it's bonded it's either going to leak or not.

I'm with BillD that cure time is a function of thickness of the bead, that make perfect sense, scientifically speaking, and I'm an engineer, so I know my frakkin science man! I'm sure it BONDS fine in 24, but there's still probably some residual acetic acid over time, which I'm sure 90% is release by 24 hours and 95% by 48, and by day 5 it is probably 99% or something like that. So waiting an extra day or 3 past the recommended 48 hours before filling AGA suggest is probably not a bad idea.

So you're both right! Let's move on from the cure time discussion before a mod comes in and throws a penalty flag for unnecessary post roughness.

I'm going to seal up the tank today so wish me skill (luck is not a factor). I might try the blue painter's tape idea and warm soapy water method this time and see how that goes too...
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I got my name the same way, and it was way back during the BBS days when my 9600 baud modem was the bomb. I remember this one online game called Dominion and I rocked at it.

I used to watch Johnny Carson all the time and hence my username. I should d/l an icon of him wearing his flannel hat & jacket for my avatar...done! Why isn't it showing up though? It must have to be approved...
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