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Old 04-23-2011, 03:04 PM   #41
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Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sumps, Part I by Greg Taylor - Reefkeeping.com

This is a good link with info on sumps. It`s a three part article.
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Old 04-23-2011, 03:43 PM   #42
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I'm still reading through that link but just wanted to thank you, it's cleared up several questions i didn't need to ask here.

But I will be back with more I promise. LOL I'm really eager to learn this thing inside and out before attempting it. I promised I would do my next tank "right" and I need this thread for that to happen.

Thanks everyone, keep the advice coming...

Any advice about keeping a large reef without external filtration and just using live rock as 100% of the filter?
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I've been reading and decided that I probably should get a sump over the wet/dry that I currently have. Maybe I can sell it on CL for a few bucks.

How would this sump be? Does it have enough room for an algae refugium and the skimmer and heater?

Eshopps RS 200 Berlin Style Reef Sump, for tanks 125-225 gallons - AquaCave

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ADHI Berlin Sump 30 by Aquatic Design Habitats - AquaCave
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They would probably work but if you don't mind an easy Diy, you could save about 100$ or so
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Old 04-24-2011, 09:13 AM   #45
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Ok so now that I understand the real basics it's time for me to ask some more questions.

I never got an answer as far as not running any sump or wet dry and just using the rocks as filtration. If a reactor is available for carbon and GFO why have the sump at all?

It may be a silly question but I have read online on this being done and would like to know if anyone has tried it with success.

I'll have more actual sump questions in a bit!

Thanks so much guys. I am totally 100% smarter on sumps on wet/drys than I was a day ago.
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Old 04-24-2011, 12:14 PM   #46
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It is technically possible to run a tank without a sump. However, why would you when there are so many benefits to it? I guess its really because it makes everything easier to manage once its up and running. Just think of all the benefits. The only bad thing I can think about is cost. That would be the only thing holding me back.
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If you have the tools, you could probably get one DIY for like $30 + the cost of the return pump. This would just be the general setup with nothing in the sump but the tank water lol.

Rubbermaid container(s)
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all very cheap
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Yeah I was looking at the tubs but I want a nice clean look in the living room. I probably will go with a premade sump.

I'm just curious if running no sump would be ok. I know there are benefits to a sump but other than hiding equipment and giving more water volume what are the pro's? In a 125g I figure I would need a 40g breeder size tank, so is the extra 40g worth it?
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IMO I would get a sump, even if I felt like I'd be fine without one. It would make your life so much easier. But, if you really want to run it without a sump then you really could. Also, Sump tanks usually go inside stands, so they are usually hidden. Some people do like to show them off though.
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I'm not trying to avoid it for any monetary reason or laziness, I just thought it would be more ecologically closer to the ocean itself. I don't really dose or add anything to my tanks now, not even buffers. I'm running a canister filter with mostly bio media in it so I don't have to run anything really. I guess I kinda do it out of habit and for the extra waterflow.

So if I got a sump how many compartments would I need? Someone linked one above that had five which seems to be alot. lol I know I need one for the return pump and skimmer, they would share the same chamber right? The heater could probably go in that chamber as well I would think.

So what are the other chambers? I want a refugium as well so that would make two. But how big does that have to be?

Lots and lots of questions..
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