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Old 05-11-2005, 10:01 AM   #1
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trickle filters and planted aquariums.. possible problem???

I was wondering.. I want to use trickle filtration with my tank and I was wondering if it would be a bad idea with a planted aquarium. Would I lose my CO2? they skim the surface of the water.. Im wondering if that is a bad thing as well, there is little agitation but from what I can see everyone is using canisters to avoid surface agitation altogether. I was wondering if a trickle filter is a bad idea because of the filter design, it works so well as a biological filter because it agitates the water over the media to introduse oxygen to the beneficial bacteria. this one has me confused...
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you mean a wet/dry filter? if you can seal the top of it, that'll prevent CO2 from escaping, and you won't lose as much.

However, if this isn't a high light, CO2 injected tank, then it doesn't matter because you don't have extra CO2 to lose.

But by and large, canister filters are the king of planted tank filtration.
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Old 05-11-2005, 12:02 PM   #3
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Im hoping for it to be a high light co2 injected tank.. thats the problem...
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Old 05-11-2005, 02:11 PM   #4
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I have a wet/dry setup in a 29g sump under my 65g planted display tank w/ pressurized Co2. I have to maintain a high bubble count to keep my Co2 levels optimal but it's not a big deal since Co2 is cheap.
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Old 05-11-2005, 07:25 PM   #5
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so you think the benifits of having wet/dry filter outweigh the loss in CO2? Can you calculate the difference between having a wet/dry and having a canister? or a rough estamate.. Ive never had a CO2 system so giving me a bubble count on your current setup wont help me much..lol..
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bubble counts don't mean a lot in terms of CO2 in the tank. Vinny's point is that with a wet/dry, you'll have to increase CO2 flow to get a better CO2 level in the tank.

Wet/dry's are a fine filter, but I've never seen a good article/debate/reason why they're any better than a canister filter...aside from noise maybe. From day 1 of my 75gallon tank, I've never been able to get a reading above 0.0ppm of ammonia, or nitrite. Canisters with bio-rings appear to be just as good as wet/dry's, with more veratility in filter media IMO.

Go with what you like, but be aware you'll use up to 10% more CO2 with a wet/dry.
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you seem to have quite a few fish in your 75 malkore.. what would you say the stock level is in this thank.. fish wise? I have an old fluval 403 and a maginum 350 sitting around so a canister filter will be easier for me to just go ahead and go with; I just like the flexability of a sump.. I thought of possibly using the fuval with a sump but I thought that might be overkill..lol... sounds like I need move my post on over to the hardware desision area..lol I cant conroll the amout of flow with the old fluval though and I personaly have never used the magnum.. the guy I got it off of had noise issues with it, I dont think putting the thing in my bedroom would be a good idea. thanks for the input guys.
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I have 8 lemon tetra, 2 paradise fish, 5 yo--yo loach, 2 clown loach (about 2.5"), 14 tiger barbs, 5 SAE's and 6 cory cats.
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FWIW, I sealed the top of my wet/dry tower and still deal with some loss of CO2 from surface turbulation and area in the sump itself. As vinnymac said its certainly possible to have enough CO2 to reach target levels, especially with pressurized. I used DIY for both sump and CO2 in much lower volume because I'm stubborn like that, and enjoy DIY. I certainly think you should tackle the project if interested, if youre stubborn and dont mind the time messing with stuff.

Trickle filters can be noisy btw unless you get the spray bar real close to the media. You'll probably need to incorporate a durso standpipe on drain and damping on return pump to get as quiet as a good canister.
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malkore.. how many in/gal is that.. it sounds like its close to the 1in/gal level, and you have never seen any ammonia or nitrite that sounds impressive. what are your nitrate levels before you do your pwc's? if you even test for that anymore. Im just wondering how the plants are affecting your nitrate. Im assuming there doing a pretty good job of lowering it.

czcz I am a avid DIYer.. I have a couple of concerns about a DIY CO2 system for this setup. First is the size of the tank.. its 75 gallons and second is the type of fish I want to keep in it, Mubas and Peacocks.. they cant take an accidental ph shock in the down direction. Im already going to have to acclimate them to the lower ph that hardy plants need. If the DIY CO2 system goes wonky and drops the PH further I would have dead fish on my hands. Im not sure if this is a valid concern but If you have ever watched home improvement you might have a clue what kind of DIYer I am, "More Power" is almost an understatement.. Its kinda more possible that it would happen to me first..LOL
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