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Old 08-10-2005, 02:22 PM   #11
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My vote goes for Fluval..
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Old 08-10-2005, 02:34 PM   #12
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I run a 404 on my 80fw and the rena filstar xp-2 on my 46fw and 50 brackish. I recently upgraded the the filters to the renas on both the 46 and 50. Prior to that I was running AC hobs in conjunction with eheim eccos on the 2 tanks. I liked the eheims but their flowrate was less then the fluvals and renas, hence running with the AC simultaneously. For ease of maintainance I prefer the Renas over the Fluvals. The Fluval is a bit quieter then the Rena though although neither really can be heard unless the room is completely quiet. I have been running my fluval for about 7 years now and never have had a problem with it. Of course if you go with the Rena get the xp-3 for the 55. Its fine for my 46 and 50 because the 46 is lightly stocked and eventually the 50 will be full marine so I will use a protein skimmer and LR instead of the Rena
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Sounds like the Fluval is the favorite. But what about the extras with the magnum?

"Bio-Wheel Pro 60 Wet/Dry biological filter and a Power Kleen gravel washer"

Do i need a biological filter if I get the fluval, and isn't that just a normal gravel washer? Those things are cheap right?
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The Fluval is a 4 stage bio-filter.

I wouldn't buy a filter based on the 'extras' unless the product itself was great. A decent sized gravel vac can run around $10 - $20. This is where we start the discussion about the Python...LOL.
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Old 08-10-2005, 02:55 PM   #15
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I absolutely love my Cascade 1000. The canisters are ALOT different than the hob's. They are not cheap in any way. Another member bought one and dropped it on the floor and kicked it across the room (by accident) and it still worked smoothly. That's quality. I dropped one of the hob's and it busted into pieces.
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What? for less than 100$ you can have a great filter, Filstar XP3.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...2&N=2004+22777

I use this filter. It's quiet. Easy to use. and works great.
The Fluval IS a good machine but its kinda... i dunno... "Klunky" lol
But it works well.
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The Fluval is a 4 stage bio-filter.

I wouldn't buy a filter based on the 'extras' unless the product itself was great. A decent sized gravel vac can run around $10 - $20. This is where we start the discussion about the Python...LOL.
There's a vacuum other than the Python?
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Now with the Python how do add my prime before or after....jk
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I take it the python is the gravel vac of choice? I will search on that one...
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I don't care for fluval canister filters. It did not work well in my 55 g with livebearers. Mine had babies and the tubing clogged up a huge pain. I will use the canister filters with my plant/shrimp/snails only tanks but nothing with livebearers. For those I prefer bio-wheels and use the Emperor 400. Love it.
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