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Old 10-20-2010, 06:48 PM   #11
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Is that one of the kind where you are supposed to lift it up and down quickly to get it to start - because it has a little "backflow preventer" valve? I've heard the same issue with that model, theirs doesn't work very well.
Yes, I believe that's what we're using, and are supposed to do that up and downward motion to get it started, or suck on one end of the tube (which I did and still did nothing to get the water flowing)...

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Top Fin® Gravel Vacuums - Aquarium Maintenance - Fish - PetSmart

But we have the extra large version...

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I think we're at the root of the problem. You need to (REALLY need to) get a better siphon hose. Get a python or a knock-off if you don't want to carry buckets, or just get a plain-old no-frills siphon and do a DEEP gravel vac.
The problem is, the tank is nowhere near a sink -- so I can't use one that attaches to the sink aparatus...

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Your filter (no filter, really) is capable of cleaning the waste from the gravel. You need to do this. If your siphon hose isn't working, then you need to get one that does.
What is the point of a filter then, aside from water return?

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Google this term - Siphon Kleen - this is the basic, easy to use, fool proof siphon and it's less than $10 at almost any pet store. Go buy one today, and do a BIG water change - like over 50% - and get the gravel REALLY good. in a 60g, you will have to put your finger over the end of the hose and slow the flow to let the gravel fall out, or else you'll end up sucking out too much water too fast and you won't get to it all. It takes practice.

I think that is the root of your problem - goldfish + no gravel vac = nasty tank.
I'll look into what you suggest above and get back to you via this thread. Thank you.
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Old 10-20-2010, 06:58 PM   #12
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Are you still using AmmoniaSafe?

If so, stop. That crap can disrupt cycles by breaking up the ammonia and can have played a part in why your tank is having trouble breaking down the waste causing the bacteria bloom.

And sorry, filters are there to filter water. Even under gravel filters don't filter the gravel, that's where us humans come in.
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Oops, typo in my last post but I think you got the point. No filter will remove all the waste from your tank, which is why you have to siphon the gravel. The purpose of the filter is 1) to move water around the tank 2) to perform biological filtration 3) to mechanically filter out particles that make it into the filtration system (this serves the purpose of removal from the tank and protecting the impeller from damage, but ends up trapping the waste and it is still in the system, which is why you periodically clean the filter) 4) to chemically filter the water (carbon, purigen, etc, if you choose to use them).

+1 for what DragonFish71 said. We're keeping fish - or are they keeping us???
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Are you still using AmmoniaSafe?

If so, stop. That crap can disrupt cycles by breaking up the ammonia and can have played a part in why your tank is having trouble breaking down the waste causing the bacteria bloom.
No, not using it anymore.
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it took my tank up to a month to clear up when that happened
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