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Old 04-01-2004, 11:35 AM   #1
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Will a single XP3 canister filter be enough???

I have a 90gal tall tank I am setting up. I was hopping to get at least one free canister filter from my brother but he is being a flake and I just don't feel like waiting for him anymore.

I know a lot of you have recommended the Rena XP3 filter but will that be enough for my tank? Should I get 2 XP2 filters instead? or maybe the XP3 and an internal filter?

I guess what I am asking is what will be the best filter setup for my tank?

Hope to get feedback soon, would like to order the filter(s) today.

Thanks,

Jeff
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Old 04-01-2004, 11:56 AM   #2
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Also what Media do you guys recommend?

RENA Filstar Activated Carbon
RENA Filstar Bio Chem Stars
RENA Filstar Bio Chem Zorb
RENA Filstar Ceramic Rings
RENA Filstar Foam 20
RENA Filstar Foam 30
RENA Filstar Micro Filtration
RENA Filstar Nitra Zorb
RENA Filstar Phos Zorb
RENA Filstar Water Softener Pillow
RENA Filstar Zeolite Ammonia Remover

SO MANY TO CHOOSE FROM... Making my head hurt again
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Old 04-01-2004, 12:24 PM   #3
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turnover is up to you, but it seems most people believe 6-10x tank volume is sufficient.

with that in mind the unrestircted flow of rena filstars is as follows
xp1 - 250gph
xp2 - 300gph
xp3 - 350gph

expect lower actual output with media and shoot for 540-900gph

i personally believe a pair of xp2s would be excellent
as far as media my xp3s run with the foam they came with, floss, and purigen by seachem.

you could also run an xp2 or xp3 with an aquaclear 300 hob for same flow rate yet much more cost effective
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Old 04-01-2004, 12:27 PM   #4
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I thought hob where not good for planted tanks due to the loss of CO2?
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Old 04-01-2004, 12:50 PM   #5
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hob is not the prefered filtration method for planted tanks
however if cost is an issue it is a viable solution
if you keep the water level in your tank high enough, surface agitation will be kept to a minimum
i would also imagine on a 90g tank you will be injecting additional co2
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Old 04-01-2004, 12:59 PM   #6
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Cost isn't the biggest issue for me but I don't want to be spending $300 for a filter either. I am trying to set this tank up correct from the start. Right now this is what I have:

90gal Tall Tank
Eco-Complete substrate
2x55watt at 5000k
2x55watt at 10000k
1x96watt at 6700k (3.5 wpg)
10lbs CO2 tank
CO2 Regulator w/needle valve, solenoid valve, and bubble counter
SMS 122 CO2 automatic shutoff
(still need to build the reactor)
2x200watt Ebo-Jager heaters

I think I am pretty much there... just need to figure out the filters
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Old 04-01-2004, 01:39 PM   #7
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then i would still recommend the pair of xp2s

you can find them for about $70 + s/h

also is your eco dark grey or black?
currently my 10g has natural pea gravel, uncoated, with a plant backgound, that you cant really see. hopefully in the next few weeks, ill be getting a new AGA 10g black seal with a black background and want a black substrate.
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Old 04-01-2004, 02:59 PM   #8
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Not sure if it's black or gray... still haven't gotten it yet.
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Old 04-01-2004, 06:57 PM   #9
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Well I am still unsure what to do???
Why would you do 2 rena xp2's instead of 1 xp3?

If I did the 2 xp2's would I run them in series or just have 4 tubes going to my tank?
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If you were to use two XP2 you could put an intake on both ends of the tank and the returns in the center (or vice versa) to really turn over the tank. Filtering really good.

If you were to run one XP3 you would have only one intake and one return to the tank. Which is still more than enough filtration.

If you plan to build a CO2 reactor using a powerhead. You might consider the XP3 and put a foam filter on your CO2 powerhead. This would be a nice set up for a 90g and save you some money versus two XP2's.

Also keep in mind what fish you plan to keep. Some fish like a fast moving current, where others like a slower current. If you use a couple of XP2's the current is going to be farly strong throughout the tank. Where as with an XP3 you could put the intake on one end of the tank for slower current and the return on the other end of the tank for fish that enjoy a fast current. This keeps all in a community tank with different needs happy.

As far as filtration. I use the two foams, ceramic noodles, and floss that came with my XP1 for filtration. I also boiled and dried some peat moss and added it, as well. Works great. No need to spend more money on filter media. Whats supplied with the filter(s) is more than adequate to get you started. Don't use the carbon that comes with the XP's for a planted tank (this is somewhat contraversial).

Looks like your doing your homework . I hope the water current's that various fish prefer does'nt throw you off
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