Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Freshwater > Freshwater & Brackish - Breeding
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 08-03-2004, 07:09 AM   #1
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
BrianNY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NY
Posts: 4,535
Wigglers at last

Since February this pair of discus began to spawn. At first they ate the eggs almost as quickly as they were laid. After 3 spawns they began to finally guard the eggs. Each time the result was the same. The eggs would fungus without a single hatch.

The pair gradually became very predictable and spawned every 7 days. Not a single egg ever hatched. I tried switching breeding cones, adding a fungicide (formaldahyde), and mixing distilled water to lower the TDS but the result was always the same. I concluded that the male was probably infertile but decided to keep the pair in the breeding tank for one more week.

Yesterday morning, 15 wigglers . The pair had moved them to the top of the breeding cone. This morning all 15 are still there. They are so tiny I can barely make out the yolk sacs and tails (which are little more than wiggling threads). I now think that the male has been missing the eggs when fertilizing and is just now beginning to figure it all out. *LOL* I'm guessing that in time the hatches will become greater. Patience pays off.

Here are some pics taken this morning of the parents guarding the brood. The male is the Blue Diamond.
__________________

__________________
BrianNY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 08:30 AM   #2
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Fluff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 11,423
congratulations!
__________________

__________________
~Cindy
Fluff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 09:27 AM   #3
AA Team Emeritus
 
TankGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Richmond VA
Posts: 8,974
YAY!

I know you have waited for such a long time for this, so fingers are most definitely crossed- the beginning of Brian's discus empire!

Congrats - you da man!
TankGirl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 10:27 AM   #4
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Georgia
Posts: 412
Those are very beautiful discus!!!! Congrats!
__________________
cheezysquirrelz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 10:29 AM   #5
Aquarium Advice Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: adelpi, MD
Posts: 69
Send a message via AIM to liquidelusion
congrats! beautiful fish you have!
__________________
29 Gallon Freshwater
---------------------------
2 amazon swords
1 bunch of some sort of crypts
2 powder blue gouramis
1 calico angel juvi
4 zebra danios
4 harlequin rasporas
4 fancy guppies (2 male - blue and red, and 2 female)
1 common pleco
--------------------------
2 juvenile unsexed Eublepharis macularius in a 20 long
liquidelusion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 10:30 AM   #6
AA Team Emeritus
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bristol, Pa
Posts: 5,972
Send a message via AIM to lmw80 Send a message via MSN to lmw80 Send a message via Yahoo to lmw80
Oh, how exciting!! You take such great care of your fish, and I know you have been waiting for this.

Congrats poppa!
__________________
-Lori
Join the Eastern PA/Greater Philadelphia Forum! Click here: http://www.aquariumadvice.com/groupcp.php?g=7825

Aquariums are like jello - there's always room for more.
lmw80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 10:56 AM   #7
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
krap101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Roscoe, IL
Posts: 6,082
Send a message via AIM to krap101
but arent discus mouthbrooders? or is that angelfish?
__________________
~ Danny
krap101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 10:57 AM   #8
AA Team Emeritus
 
TankGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Richmond VA
Posts: 8,974
Nope. Neither are mouthbrooders.
TankGirl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 11:06 AM   #9
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
krap101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Roscoe, IL
Posts: 6,082
Send a message via AIM to krap101
wierd...
__________________
~ Danny
krap101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 11:40 AM   #10
Moderator Emeritus
 
Menagerie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 13,230
Yeah!! I hope to see them while on LI!!
__________________

Menagerie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 12:02 PM   #11
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,787
Send a message via Yahoo to webmoose
Congrats!! Very exciting!
__________________
58 gallon Community Planted - 4 boesmani / 1 praecox rainbow, 3 giant danios, 1 clown / 1 albino pl*co, 1 bronze / 2 albino cories, cherry barbs, sunset platy's, cardinal tetras

8 Gallon hex - 3 F1 Black Brichardi and fry..("Lamprologus sp. Walter")

10 gallon work tank - Pair of dwarf gourami and 2 cherry barbs / 2 gallon - 4 Fundulopanchax gardneri / 10 gallon - bunch of killitanks

Vote Here for Aquarium Advice
webmoose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 12:27 PM   #12
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 431
Send a message via ICQ to cdawson
Re: Wigglers at last

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianNY
Since February this pair of discus began to spawn. At first they ate the eggs almost as quickly as they were laid. After 3 spawns they began to finally guard the eggs. Each time the result was the same. The eggs would fungus without a single hatch.

The pair gradually became very predictable and spawned every 7 days. Not a single egg ever hatched. I tried switching breeding cones, adding a fungicide (formaldahyde), and mixing distilled water to lower the TDS but the result was always the same. I concluded that the male was probably infertile but decided to keep the pair in the breeding tank for one more week.

Yesterday morning, 15 wigglers . The pair had moved them to the top of the breeding cone. This morning all 15 are still there. They are so tiny I can barely make out the yolk sacs and tails (which are little more than wiggling threads). I now think that the male has been missing the eggs when fertilizing and is just now beginning to figure it all out. *LOL* I'm guessing that in time the hatches will become greater. Patience pays off.

Here are some pics taken this morning of the parents guarding the brood. The male is the Blue Diamond.

If they're tank bred that would explain the time it took for them to figure out the whole parenting thing. Often tank bred cichlids are removed as eggs and reared without the parents so they never learn the parenting skills off their actual parents and are forced to learn them on their own. Through trial and error. I'm witnessing the same thing with my angels right now, every time they spawn they learn something new. =)
__________________
"Hey dad! your bettas looked lonely so I put them in a tank together!"
cdawson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 12:48 PM   #13
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
QTOFFER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Kew Gardens, NY
Posts: 4,295
Congrats, Brian!!!!
Now you're going to have to get another grow-out tank! That will make HOW many tanks in your house...? :P

A question from us non-discus types: What is the deal with the breeding cone?

Congrats again - I'm glad to see all your hard work paying off!
__________________
QTOFFER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 01:09 PM   #14
AA Team Emeritus
 
TankGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Richmond VA
Posts: 8,974
I love that breeding cone - I'll bet that would work with angels, too. Terra cotta?
TankGirl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 08:31 PM   #15
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
BrianNY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NY
Posts: 4,535
Thanks everyone . And yes, I'm very excited about this.

You may be right cwdawson but all the discus I own have been parent raised. I think it has more to do with the maturity of the discus (especially the male). Discus differ from angels in that they feed from their parents slime coat just after becoming free swimming.

Hopefully these fry will still be around when you and your sister visit in 2 weeks Menagerie .

Yep TG and QT, that breeding cone is terra cotta. I also have some in glazed white ceramic. When this pair first spawned it was on a sponge filter. I've had other females lay on the glass and heaters as well. There is something about the incline and shape which the discus seem to be attracted to. I tried to think like a discus but it gave me a headache!!

Keep your fingers and toes crossed TG. If there is a new discus empire in NY be assured that when you want some, they are yours

__________________
BrianNY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 08:48 PM   #16
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Edmonton AB, Canada
Posts: 696
Send a message via MSN to Endgame319
Do discus only lay a small amount of eggs or did only a small amount hatch? And have you tried methelyne(sp?) blue as an antifungus? Its worked for me.
__________________
Cam
Endgame319 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 09:17 PM   #17
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
BrianNY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NY
Posts: 4,535
Discus lay between 100 and 300 eggs. As the female is laying weekly, I think the number must be on the low side Endgame.

These 15 were the only one that hatched. It makes me think the male was missing all of the eggs on previous spawns. But.......he seems to be getting better at it. *LOL*

BTW. The fry have grown noticably in 1 day. Expecially the length of the tail.
__________________
BrianNY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 09:20 PM   #18
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Edmonton AB, Canada
Posts: 696
Send a message via MSN to Endgame319
At what age do they start looking discus-like? I know my brichardi fry didn't start looking like brichardi for a week or so.
__________________
Cam
Endgame319 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 11:30 PM   #19
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
BrianNY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NY
Posts: 4,535
that's a good question. I don't really know myself. Right now they're brown dots with thread like tails. I'll keep a pictorial for everyone.
__________________
BrianNY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2004, 11:33 PM   #20
Moderator Emeritus
 
Menagerie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 13,230
Fry are just eyes with a tail
__________________

__________________

Menagerie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
wigglers

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wigglers! jrp1588 Freshwater & Brackish - Breeding 25 12-26-2008 11:13 AM
I got wigglers Fluff Freshwater & Brackish - Breeding 11 05-18-2006 07:08 PM
Bolivian Ram Wigglers Allivymar Show Off/Photography 9 01-15-2004 10:38 AM
Wigglers!! Allivymar Cichlid Discussion 18 01-08-2004 11:42 PM
Wigglers! jasonit Cichlid Discussion 1 08-14-2003 01:15 PM







» Photo Contest Winners







All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:05 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.