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Old 02-11-2004, 03:11 PM   #41
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I will again state that i had no idea that anyone would ever respond to that in the thread it was in, let alone start a new thread to discuss it.
Im late to the party.

Acutally the thread that this current topic was in was split off of the previous thread. What that means is basicly we took a pair of scissors and cut the thread at the point tha this one starts and put it in its on thread to acutally encourage discussion about it. This also allows the orgional post to continue with out the disruption of this discussion.

We (admins AND advisors) try very hard to give as accurate and as best advice as possible. On thing I love about our community is that none of the advisors or admins have an additude of 'I am better than you'. We are all here to learn and/or help others in this hobby.

I would personally encourage anyone and everyone to read magazines, books, web articles and other web forums for advice/information. Only thru the share of information can we improve this hobby and our own understanding of the hobby.

I also want to thank everyone involved in this discussion for keeping a level head.
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Old 02-11-2004, 03:49 PM   #42
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I've been keeping fish for just a little over a year now, and have enjoyed this site as one of the best overall, although I have gotten more interested in two specific species of fish now, and visit forums just for those species. Having said that, I'd like to tell you the three most important things I've learned about fishkeeping during my infancy:

1) Before you ever buy the first tank, and certainly before you ever buy livestock, you should read everything you can get your hands on about the hobby - from print and electronic media, including forums like these.

2) No one (and I mean no one) ever does #1. We all make mistakes, and buy impossibly small tanks into which we hope to place all our favorite fish. Or we try and push the envelope on compatibility between species.

3) There's enough advice (good and bad) to go around. Consider all of it carefully and make a reasoned decision that will be best for the fish you decide you want to keep. And remember, it's not we, the fishkeepers, who deserve the kudos for creating and maintaining these little ecosystems of which we are so proud. It's the animals in the ecosystems who manage to survive, and even thrive, in spite of us.
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Old 02-11-2004, 04:15 PM   #43
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It's all been said...

Y'all have said it pretty well already, but I'll add what sticks with me the most in my experience here:

1. To quote ScottS but in another context - I am a "a recent, prolific poster who clearly has done most of his/her learning only by asking questions here". However, I make it a point to read back-threads pertaining to the problem/question I have. I'm constantly amazed by the Advisors' ability to type the same answers to the same cycling questions over and over and over...

I would get frustrated very quickly and point everyone to the same article. "Read it, then ask questions."

2. Grimlock made a comment that "Over time, people will get to know you as someone with experience and you would get different replies." This is SO true! When I post a thread, I know right away whos advice is definitely learned from experience and whos I might want to research further.

I'd like you all to know that without Aquarium Advice, I would be one totally frustrated probably former fish keeper... now my friends call me the fish doctor because every time one of them has a tank problem, I'm the guy who gets the call. Thanks for helping me learn!
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Old 02-11-2004, 04:17 PM   #44
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I haven't read this whole thread. However, the word that best describes some replies that I read is "Snippy." I think people can sometimes be rash and don't word things quite right. The end result is that is comes of sounding curt and rude. I don't think it's always intentional, and we all know it's hard to read people on the net because we don't have the aid of facial expressions, tone of voice and the like. I read posts sometimes and I roll my eyes, but then I think that this person asking the sort of misguided question may be very young, very new to the hobby, or not speak English as their first language. I know most of us are very passionate about the humane treatment of aquatic life. Regardless, I think a little more *nice* could be dished out sometimes
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Old 02-11-2004, 04:28 PM   #45
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I think a snipy problem is sometimes in the way you read things. Over in the pond forums there was a discussion about freezing depth, and I'll admit I took one of the posts as an attack. I was initially angry, but then once I stepped back and reread the post I realized that he was just stating his opinion the same as I had.
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Old 02-11-2004, 04:45 PM   #46
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Overall, I really think everyone in the forum tries their best to give clear, concise information in a well meaning manner. We're here because of our love of fish & all the accoutrements. Remember we are ALL still learning.

**So if you think a reply is snippy, take a step back, re-read it and understand we all want the best for your finned friends.**
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Old 02-11-2004, 04:52 PM   #47
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Sati said it best:
"The end result is that is comes of sounding curt and rude. I don't think it's always intentional, and we all know it's hard to read people on the net because we don't have the aid of facial expressions, tone of voice and the like."

Electronic communications lack the human connection that takes the sting out of negative comments. For typing convenience, messages are short and succinct often to the point of sounding snippy and rude. It's just the nature of electronic media. T
hat's why in this age of e-mail, video conferencing, and instant messaging, corporations are STLL spending lots of money to send people around the globe to conduct business in person.

Whenever I read a post that bothers me (sometimes I can't even put a finger on why it bothers me, LOL), I remind myself that it was probably written by someone in a hurry, who genuinely cares about the hobby as much as I do, and who really has absolutely no reason to be rude or confrontational.
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Old 02-11-2004, 06:28 PM   #48
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good point , nobody has the time to sit around and right the same responses over and over again. Sometimes a short reply to the point can sound rude to those inexperienced and haven't been around these forums for awhile.
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There's a lot of forum lingo that rarely if ever gets used in this forum, and that's what makes it great. For those who are familiar with forums, you know what I mean. To name a few: flame, troll (although this one has reared its head once or twice ), and repost. This was the first forum I ever subscribed to, but I have tried others (some fish related and some not), and I must say this is one of the most family-oriented, friendly, and knowledgeable (as in good accurate information) forums I have seen. That is why I am alumni, and not just a subscriber.

As far as people being rude, I agree. It's impossible to judge someone's intention based solely on his or her writing (unless it's blatantly obvious). If someone is perceived as being rude, than surely a question or two would set the record straight.

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Old 02-11-2004, 07:07 PM   #50
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I think use of emoticons helps a lot in making your intentions clear, or reminding the reader that you are not giving them a hard time.
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