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tmdavies 05-08-2011 05:32 AM

filters filters filters
 
i have no idea about any filters apart from the one i have (marina slim filter) i want to upgrade it but i dont have a clue.
Can anyone fill me in on - types of filters, whats the best filters, how loud they are, general knowledge on filters.
i will be upgrading my tank in the next month to a 55 gallon so i want one that will be super beasting and clean the **** out of my water. :thanks:

tmdavies 05-08-2011 05:37 AM

i forgot to ask what a sump is aswell and a protein skimmer

springy14 05-08-2011 06:33 AM

I don't really have any experience in "big" filter but the two main competitors seem to be fluval fx5 (lots of great reviews) lots off people seem to use these or a eheim. Protein Skimmer gets rid of waste before it enters the filter basically in a nutshell.

This sump is a seperate filter system. My sump is located below my tank and has acrylic deviders to make different compartments. My inflow to the sump comes in and over one of the deviders where I have my protien skimmer then under a slat into another compartment where I keep my bioballs and then over a slat into another compartment wherte I have my refugium(live rock starfish hermirt crabs, etc.. Thenfinally over another slat where I have a carbon spoge and down into my return to tank pump. I think it is just a way to keep all of this equipment out of veiw and is more of a natural filter system then say a hang on carbon filter like freshwater has. This have been sourced from Yahoo Answers

Hope this helps

Mr.Micro 05-08-2011 10:19 AM

When talking about aquarium filtration, you are actually addressing 3 things, mechanical, biological and chemical filtration. Mechanical will remove detritus (waste) eg; excess food, fish waste etc. Keep in mind a mechanical filter is only as good as what it sees. SO if you have more circulation or dead spots in your tank, that fish waste will stay visible in your tank causing you to do frequent PWC's.

Chemical filtration is consistent mainly of activated Carbon to clear the water. That should be changed very often as it can RE-RELEASE what is absorbed eventually. However, a protein skimmer is designed as a chemical filter, removing dissolved waste and organic compounds from the water by foam fractionation (putting air into the water stream). The waste, or 'skimmate' rises into a collection cup at the top of the skimmer and you simply empty the cup and replace. For a 55gal there are plenty of good hang on skimmers that will be very effective. CPR's Bak-PAk is an excellent and affordable choice.

Biological filtration is mainly consistent of a means or place for nitrifying bacteria to grow.. Live Rock, Bio balls etc... Billions, maybe trillions of aerobic and anaerobic bacteria live on this 'bed' and and work to break down the harmful ammonia and nitrites that accumulate in a tank into less harmful nitrates, (unless you have a reef tank).

The Fluval FX5 or Eheim pro 3 are canister filters and can accommodate all 3 methods of needed filtration in one spot. I do not use these in my systems only because i opt for a different method (which i'll explain briefly). However, either one of those filters is an excellent choice, with the Fluval being slightly more affordable and very comparable. Those filters are extremely quiet and usually need to be felt or listened to very closely just to heat them. Protein skimmers are not included on either one of those filters or any canister filter for that matter.

I opt for the full on wet/dry and additional sump method. I did not drill my tank so i have (2) overlows with micron filters (mechanical) added that drain water into a trickle filter, pouring water over a bunch of biological media (biological) creating the nitrifying bacteria i need. from there the water flows into another micron sock (mechanical) into a sump where i have a protein skimmer (chemical) some additional live rock (biological). I do have a dedicated pump in the sump pushing water through a UV sterilizer (chemical) and back into the sump as well. From there at the other end is a return pump to push the filtered water back up into the tank to start the process all over again. This happens in my tank at 3000gph.

That may sound like overkill to some.... but my fish are NEVER sick, my water is always clear and my nitrite and ammonia levels are always 0 ppm. Plus, i can keep anything i want in my tank. Thats my 225gal. In my 150gal I use a hang on protein skimmer, a submersible 13w UV sterilizer and (2) Eheim 2213's plus an Eheim 2217. I have no troubles in that tank either but i only have 3 fish in it.

In short your choices will be canister filters or trickle filters (wet/dry), some people use sponge filters too. Whatever your choice, your filter MUST address all three of the requirements, mechanical, biological and chemical for your tank to thrive.

Hope that helps.

tmdavies 05-08-2011 11:47 AM

mr.micro your setup sounds very good but i dont think i will be able to afford that lol if i have a canister filter will i need a skimmer? are protein skimmers a necessity? will my canister filter adress the 3 fields you mentioned? I am thinking of getting fluval model 305. thank you for you replys everyone

Mr.Micro 05-08-2011 01:46 PM

Spend $200 (ebay) on the Fluval FX5... Its versatile and will be more than enough for your tank and will grow with you, longterm you'll be happier.. And that will address all 3 neccesities.

A protein skimmer is IMO an absolute necessity. But can be added later in your system. By later I mean as much as 6mnths to a year after your tank cycles...

Hubert90 05-08-2011 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tmdavies
mr.micro your setup sounds very good but i dont think i will be able to afford that lol if i have a canister filter will i need a skimmer? are protein skimmers a necessity? will my canister filter adress the 3 fields you mentioned? I am thinking of getting fluval model 305. thank you for you replys everyone

If u have a freshwater tank, a protein skimmer is basically useless!

Mr.Micro 05-08-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hubert90

If u have a freshwater tank, a protein skimmer is basically useless!

That's true! Somehow I thought this was a saltwater tank.

tmdavies 05-09-2011 05:34 AM

Yea mine will be fresh water, I'll try to get that filter then. thanks

Hubert90 05-09-2011 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tmdavies
Yea mine will be fresh water, I'll try to get that filter then. thanks

Sweet good luck! Also are u planning on doin fishless cycle?


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