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03-06-2005, 05:01 PM
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bad algea blues. (pic)
I have been singing this same sad tune for months.
what is it, and how do I get rid of it for good???
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03-07-2005, 09:16 AM
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can anyone help?
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Software:2 Tank-Raised Ocellaris Clowns, 1 Purple Firefish, 1 Electric Orange hermit crab, 18 Blue Legged hermit crabs, 8 or so Nassarius snails, Xenia, Blue, green, and Green Striped Mushrooms.
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03-07-2005, 09:18 AM
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Is that growing right on the sand? Can you remove that patch manually? I'm going to watch this thread to learn a bit. I don't have the problem right now, but I can imagine that it may be lurking out there in my future.
Good luck!
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30 gal standard 55 lbs LR, 60 lb live sand, 10 gal sump/refugium. Urchin skimmer, mag7 pump, 3 x 96W PC combination 10,000K/actinic bulb, 2 blue LED moonlights
SG 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4
Livestock I added:
1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.
Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)
List of possible/likely newcomers:
Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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03-07-2005, 09:29 AM
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oh its a pain in the rear-end. Its mostly on the sand, but there is a good patch of it on the rocks.
I could probibly remove it manually, but I am afraid it will just spread it. I just added chemi-clean a few days ago, but it doesn't seem to affect that stuff.
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Software:2 Tank-Raised Ocellaris Clowns, 1 Purple Firefish, 1 Electric Orange hermit crab, 18 Blue Legged hermit crabs, 8 or so Nassarius snails, Xenia, Blue, green, and Green Striped Mushrooms.
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03-07-2005, 09:42 AM
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I think I'd use a big gravel vac suction of the sand chunks. I'm no expert, but yur list has canister filter .. are you using bio media in there? ARe you using RO/ DI water?
Most of the solutions I read involve:
1)adding macroalgae to fuge to compete for nutrients
2) remove bio media to reduce nitrates
3) use of RO/ DI and/or phophate removal agents
4)cutting back feeding
5)cutting back photoperiod
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30 gal standard 55 lbs LR, 60 lb live sand, 10 gal sump/refugium. Urchin skimmer, mag7 pump, 3 x 96W PC combination 10,000K/actinic bulb, 2 blue LED moonlights
SG 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4
Livestock I added:
1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.
Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)
List of possible/likely newcomers:
Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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03-07-2005, 10:17 AM
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I'm using ro/ di water, there is no media in the canister. I have cut back on feeding and cut down on the "lights on" time.
none of it has had an effect. 
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Software:2 Tank-Raised Ocellaris Clowns, 1 Purple Firefish, 1 Electric Orange hermit crab, 18 Blue Legged hermit crabs, 8 or so Nassarius snails, Xenia, Blue, green, and Green Striped Mushrooms.
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03-07-2005, 10:46 AM
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What is the TDS of your RO/ DI and what's the water specs/chemistry?
Is the algae actually brown or is that just the way the pic turned out?
Cheers
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03-07-2005, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RocketSeason
I'm using ro/ di water, there is no media in the canister. I have cut back on feeding and cut down on the "lights on" time.
none of it has had an effect. |
Hmmm... well, that's it for me, then, expet for the use of macroalgae in the sump to outcompete the algae for whatever it is they are using as a nutrient source. I'm expecting some chaeto for my sump to try to head off this phenomenon.
Again, good luck. I'll be eavesdopping to read the responses. Lots of folks on this board a LOT more qualified than I to respond to your situation.
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30 gal standard 55 lbs LR, 60 lb live sand, 10 gal sump/refugium. Urchin skimmer, mag7 pump, 3 x 96W PC combination 10,000K/actinic bulb, 2 blue LED moonlights
SG 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4
Livestock I added:
1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.
Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)
List of possible/likely newcomers:
Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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03-07-2005, 11:38 AM
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the algea is brown. same color as in the pic. and its all over. the tank on the bottom, the sides, the powerheads, etc. It is spread out thinly over the tank but it clumbs together in the sand. as shown. I do not know the tds of the water. (I have no way to measure it.)
parameters are all normal. I do not know what my PO4 count is.
also, it seems that this stuff has caused my coraline algea to take a hit. (but it could just be my imagination.)
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Software:2 Tank-Raised Ocellaris Clowns, 1 Purple Firefish, 1 Electric Orange hermit crab, 18 Blue Legged hermit crabs, 8 or so Nassarius snails, Xenia, Blue, green, and Green Striped Mushrooms.
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03-07-2005, 12:53 PM
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might as well check alk reading, cuz if the alk is too low..doesn't matter if there is phosphate or nitrate, algea is still gonna take over your tank just like mine.
Oh also...increase water flow might help.
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03-07-2005, 01:55 PM
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It looks like cyno to me... when mine has been there a while and the powerhead is blowing on it, it gets really stringy like that. Had any fish die recently?
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03-07-2005, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RocketSeason
the algea is brown. same color as in the pic. and its all over. the tank on the bottom, the sides, the powerheads, etc. It is spread out thinly over the tank but it clumbs together in the sand. as shown.
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Interesting, I don't think I have never seen a filamented brown algae before.
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I do not know the tds of the water. (I have no way to measure it.)
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You need to get a TDS meter or borrow one. It's pretty much the only way of knowing if the water is what it says it is when buying from the LFS or from your own RO/ DI.
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parameters are all normal. I do not know what my PO4 count is.)
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PO4 contributes very little in regard to the growth of brown algaes. Silicates, basic nutrient and some types of metals (iron mainly) are your main contributors as could be the alkalinity noted previously.
Manual removal is about all you can do with this stuff in the short term. The main concern is narrowing down the cause.
Cheers
Steve
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03-08-2005, 05:25 PM
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Is it all really stringy like that?
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03-08-2005, 05:31 PM
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yup all really stringy.
...If Steve-s hasn't seen this before than I am in serious trouble!
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Software:2 Tank-Raised Ocellaris Clowns, 1 Purple Firefish, 1 Electric Orange hermit crab, 18 Blue Legged hermit crabs, 8 or so Nassarius snails, Xenia, Blue, green, and Green Striped Mushrooms.
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03-08-2005, 05:52 PM
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Wow... the only thing that I can think of is either hair algae or cyno that has been moved a lot. I have spent about 30 minutes trying to find info on something similar and have come across nothing! I hope that Steve-s can think of something!
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03-08-2005, 06:18 PM
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Time for more snails?
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Have a great day! Brian
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03-08-2005, 06:20 PM
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I have a ton of snails.
I measured the longest strand to be almost 4 inches long. I am going to manually remove it all tonight. hopefully it will not come back after that.
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Software:2 Tank-Raised Ocellaris Clowns, 1 Purple Firefish, 1 Electric Orange hermit crab, 18 Blue Legged hermit crabs, 8 or so Nassarius snails, Xenia, Blue, green, and Green Striped Mushrooms.
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03-08-2005, 06:50 PM
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Manual removal is about all you can do with this stuff in the short term. The main concern is narrowing down the cause.
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:P
Cheers
Steve
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