GHA out of control

[anthonygaliazzo]

Ive been battleing greenhair for a good 6 months. Ive researched and tried every method out there to get rid of it. Bought ro unit, did a couple 50% wc, does nopox, cut chinese led intensity to 30% white 70 % blue with 6 hours per day. I have no live stock exept corals for the past 6 months. My corals are doing good

I noticed that my corals are always already opened when the lights turn on due to the daylight. Eventhough no direct sun ray are on the tank, could the daylight cause the gha to persist? Heres a shot of the tank before the lights turn on


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[Flaxon-Waxon]

Are you using tap water?

[Sniperhank]

There are two links to algae battling in my signature, but this is going to be a long one.
Plain and simple, you have a nutrient issue in your water column. Nitrates and phosphates. This comes from feeding way too much. I feed my reef tank every 3 days, sparingly.
Do water changes and top offs with ro/di water. This way there will be nothing in the water that can feed the algae. Large water changes with ro/di and manually removing the hair algae as you are doing the water changes.

[Animal-Chin]

You are going to hate me but here is my advice.

You have to go big here. Like fill a bin with tank water and start taking out your coral one by one. Scrub all algae off them until they are clean and clear of it (in a bucket or something, not the bin you'll store them in). Store the coral in a tupperware bin that is heated and water circulating then hang your LED over it. This can be their new home for a while. Then gut that tank. remove the live rock and scrub the algae off of it. Clean all the algae out of the tank including the walls and any pumps its attached too. If your sand is old, replace it. If its not too bad try to clean it up. Then fill the tank with new RO and salt. Put the rock back in and get everyting up and running with the lights off. I'd put in some really big turbo snails to eat any algae left over. If you do it all quick and the good bacteria doesn't die off of your rock you shouldn't see much of a cycle. Maybe test for amonia for a week or so then start putting the coral back in. While it's empty it may be time to find a an area with less sunshine?

[Ingy]

I went through a long battle with GHA myself. And I've heard all the reasons people say I suffered. The first and most common reason was excess nutrients. Well, I had 0 nitrates and 0 phosphates (Hanna Checker) throughout my battle. Its all being consumed by the algae they said, but I was feeding about 1-2 times a week (I lost over half my fish and all my shrimp due to starvation), so that wasn't it either. Too much light was the next excuse, so I moved all my corals to a separate tank with the light, shut all the lights off in my DT and wrapped it in a blanket to keep out ambient light. Guess what, algae did just fine. Next I put the corals back in the DT and removed most of my rocks (the ones with the worst algae) and put those into a Brute can with a heater, circ pump and an airstone (to keep water oxygenated) then covered it with the lid. after 4 months in total darkness, only opening up the lid to do weekly water changes and a trial H2O2 daily dosing ritual, the algae was as green as ever. Reducing the lighting will not kill algae, but it may help prevent new growth. BTW, hydrogen peroxide does work on a VERY target specific scale, and is NOT worth the effort in a DT.


So after a year of many tests, trials and tribulations, I discovered there is only 1 efficient way to remove algae. Manually. Fortunately a very robust CUC consisting of specific types of hermits and snails will do all the manual labour (converting all the green grass proteins into poopy ammonia). You simply need to remove the ammonia. And I found an algae turf scrubber (ATS) to be better even than a skimmer. My skimmer and phosguard reactor have been sidelined into storage as the ATS is sufficient.


So, keep you feeding schedule as is (assuming 0 times per week for a coral only tank),
keep the whites reduced for now (to prevent new algae growth)
get a healthy amount of hermits (Dwarf Blue legged, Electric orange/Yellow/Blue, Scarlet), Turbo snails etc. Maybe even an urchin and/or Lettuce Sea Slug.


Good Luck. I won my battle after I tried everyone else's suggestions although the tank did suffer in the meantime. Watch your Alk/Calc levels too, so the corals don't suffer extra.

[Animal-Chin]

Ingy, did you manually pull out as much as possible first? Manual removal was my only defense. Then I got those HUGE trubo snails from J&L. They are like golf balls. They mowed through the fine stuff but don't touch long algae at all.

[anthonygaliazzo]

Thanks i wanted to escape this but looks like i have no choice to put my tank apart... I have tried once to solve the problem with cuc but they all died of starvation i think. As said above, they didnt touche dense algue.

If im to break the tank apart, would it be less risky to dump the live rock to make sure no green hair goes back in the display once cleaned. Last thing i want is to break it up and see it persisting.Thanks for your time. I was waiting to solve this before adding more fish but i might buy one that would eat the algue. Heres a tank pic with lights open


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[Sniperhank]

Don't buy or even count on livestock to solve this issue. Your issue is way past such help and adding another creature that eats and poops only adds to the issue. Your issues are your parameters and we have lined out a great battle plan for you to overcome this issue.

[Ingy]

Originally Posted by Sniperhank

Don't buy or even count on livestock to solve this issue. Your issue is way past such help and adding another creature that eats and poops only adds to the issue. Your issues are your parameters and we have lined out a great battle plan for you to overcome this issue.

Adding something you need to FEED I agree would simply compound the problem. But adding something that does not need to be fed additional food is biologically neutral. The crabs would simply convert the algae into ammonia, in other words covert the end stage nitrogens back into the starting nitrogens. Then a skimmer or other methods can remove the ammonia and poop.

As for the question about "did I manually remove my algae", not really. It was too much work in my 31" deep tank, so I just added over 60 hermits. They went to work right away and my algae problems are gone. And to top it all off I have gone from 1-2 feedings per week to every other day.

One thing I did wrong during the outbreak was concentrate so much on feeding reductions and light starving that I let my calcium and Alk levels drop. I believe that was why I lost some of my snails and hermits at the start of the outbreak. I corrected that issue before I added more.

Look, I'm not going to tell you what your doing wrong, or blame some parameter that is lying to you. I'm just telling you what I saw in my outbreak, what I did that finally worked for me. I have a thread about my GHA you can read from last year.


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[mrvincent]

Hmmm what a bad case !!!!!!

Use toothbrush to remove what you can... Also lettuce slug (nudi?) will help you so much.

Reduce the lighting time, also your tank seems to be exposed to sun... That's bad.

[Animal-Chin]

If im to break the tank apart, would it be less risky to dump the live rock to make sure no green hair goes back in the display once cleaned.

If you can manage it, I'd clean it as good as you can then stick it in a dark bin to cure for a long time before using again. I had a batch that I placed in a bin and mixed in a bottle of hydrogen peroxide. It totally cleaned the remaining algae off and now the rock is back in my tank.

[mrvincent]

I won't kill thoses LR, the problem may be worse...

GHA "seeds" are present everywhere IMO. They only grow when the conditions are good for them.

I never had any GHA for a year, then decided to bleach all my live rocks, due to hydroids infestation, and now I have GHA problem... So you see, the problem is not the GHA itself, the problem is related to nutrients/lights...

Also, if you dose peroxyd, be ready to see bacterial outbreak... Slime everywhere...

Yesterday, I had a LOT of GHA, so I decided to perform a little cleaning with a water change. Straight before changing the water, I used a (dedicated) toothbrush to disloge all the GHA. I know they'll grow back, but it will take some time... Also, each fragment of GHA you remove means nutrients removed from the tank

The best I found for GHA, is a bit of NOPOX if you have nitrates in the tank, toothbrush removal, and heavy protein skimming. Also using a turkey baster on the rocks right before a water change, you'll see what gunk (nutrients) comes out from there...

[Sniperhank]

More advanced tactics like using hydrogen peroxide can be dangerous because the stuff simply doesn't care what it's killing. Corals with calcium based skeletons will be killed just like the algae. So do not dose it into the tank.
Start off with reducing feedings and large water changes with ro/di water while you manually remove the algae.
Once the problem is much more manageable, we can try more advanced things like this, but won't be effective when things are so overrun.


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[mr_X]

has anyone tried raising mag levels with Kent Tech-M? Google it. Folks are having a lot of success with it.

[Flaxon-Waxon]

Originally Posted by mr_X

has anyone tried raising mag levels with Kent Tech-M? Google it. Folks are having a lot of success with it.

Yes. I have and was successful. Now, I believe it is a certain type of Bryopsis, and I've heard Mr. X say that all GHA is in fact Bryopsis, which is true, but it's in my belief that the type of Bryopsis that is successfully tackled with Tech M is the fern like Bryopsis.. I'll look back at my old posts for a pic.

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[anthonygaliazzo]

Yeah that looks the same as mine. Some of it seperate from the rock preatty easily but some of them are strongly atached to the rock. Even when i brush it with a toothbrush, it remains on the rock. About the feeding, i havnt put any food in the tank for a couple months so feeding is not the issue here. The light are being runed 6h per day which is preatty low. I think i have no choice but to take that tank apart and seperate those corals from the DT and give those rocks a massive treatment. il be looking in buying annother small tank to put my corals in during the cleanup.


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[Animal-Chin]

I support that plan, sometimes its the only way to get it back. I fought my old tank for a long time until one day I went to town on it. Pulled everything out and scrubbed the rock like there was no tomorrow. I put it all back to gether and kicked myself for not doing it sooner. It looked awesome once it was cleaned up and I enjoyed the tank much more.

[mrvincent]

Originally Posted by Sniperhank

There are two links to algae battling in my signature, but this is going to be a long one.
Plain and simple, you have a nutrient issue in your water column. Nitrates and phosphates. This comes from feeding way too much. I feed my reef tank every 3 days, sparingly.
Do water changes and top offs with ro/di water. This way there will be nothing in the water that can feed the algae. Large water changes with ro/di and manually removing the hair algae as you are doing the water changes.

He lost all his fishs, and some dead fishs were hidden behing the rocks... Also he lost small creatures like snails, etc... don't know why he lost thoses things... (Stray voltage maybe?) But for sure, it caused a major nutrients problems.

I already saw his aquarium, I leave near him... Averything seems healty, not so much algae, healty looking corals, schedule Ok, but only one thing bad, he was using tap water. But this don't explain the true source of the problems...

Why fishs carpet jumped ? Why the others fishs died ? Why he lost all his inverts, like snails, etc... But why the only invert that didn't died is his 2 peppermints. ????

I think this problem has an origin.

[Flaxon-Waxon]

Originally Posted by mrvincent

He lost all his fishs, and some dead fishs were hidden behing the rocks... Also he lost small creatures like snails, etc... don't know why he lost thoses things... (Stray voltage maybe?) But for sure, it caused a major nutrients problems.

I already saw his aquarium, I leave near him... Averything seems healty, not so much algae, healty looking corals, schedule Ok, but only one thing bad, he was using tap water. But this don't explain the true source of the problems...

Why fishs carpet jumped ? Why the others fishs died ? Why he lost all his inverts, like snails, etc... But why the only invert that didn't died is his 2 peppermints. ????

I think this problem has an origin.

Ok so he was using tap water, which was the first question asked but never answered. Depending on how bad the water is, copper, etc I can see inverts not surviving. Fish jumping? I've had fish jump in what I thought were pristine conditions too...