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Old 02-21-2005, 11:30 AM   #1
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Fish suicide?! I've had it happen twice now

Hey everyone,
I wasn't sure if this belonged in general or unhealthy fish, but considering the fish has passed ( ) she isn't exactly unhealthy.

Well lets see. For 1.5 years I had 2 columbian catfish (black fin sharks) in a 29 gallon tank together. They were purchased very small, so the tank was plenty big. Even at the end of that 1.5 years, one was only about 3.5" and the other was 3".

Anyways, all went well, all were perfectly fine, except that after about 1 year the one that was slightly larger would continually pick on the one that was smaller. She would chase her around the tank for a few hours, and then they were best friends. They would same together, in sync, etc, and then all of a sudden it would start up again with the chasing and nipping. The smaller one got to the point that we had to just divide the tank.

This went fine for another 4 months, but then I hated having them not just separated, but in such small enclosures, so we purchased a 55-gallon. We put them back together, and all was fine for about 2 months. Then the chasing started up again, and in only 1 day the smaller fish was exhausted, began swimming around like she was blind, and then ate gravel until she died. Fish suicide number one.

Since then we have had a couple different tank mates for the columbian, all of which either she has picked on, or they have picked on her. Including a green spotted puffer who ended up picking on her so we went out and bought him his own tank because we loved him too much to return him.

Around 6 months ago (about a year since the last columbian died) we decided to try again. We went to 5 different fish stores to find one that was at least close to the size of our columbian now. We finally did, and all has been well since that day. They got along perfectly, even though the new one was once again slightly smaller. Everything went great, they were best of friends, and constantly "schooled" around the tank. (I say "schooled" because they aren't schooling fish, however they always swam together in perfect sync). Well on Thursday night we noticed that the big one had started chasing the little one everywhere, but then would stop and be normal, and then started chasing again. By Friday morning the little one was doing the same thing out last one had... swimming around like she was blind. And by Friday night, she too had eaten gravel until she died. Fish suicide number 2.

Has anyone ever heard of this or had this happen?? I guess this columbian is just destine to live alone!! We put 7 feeder comets in there on Saturday morning just to keep her busy... give her something to do. She has eaten 5 of them, but there are still 2 in there that she just chases around like she used to do to her other tank mates.

I just can't believe I have had TWO columbians apparently commit suicide by eating gravel!!

-brent

PS- We have a lot of plants, rocks, caves, and other coverage for these fish to hide in, but they never seem to use it. Well the comets are, but when the columbians were being chased around they never tried to hide. They always enjoyed playing in the currents too much... they were either stubborn or stupid.
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Old 02-21-2005, 02:06 PM   #2
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Have you looked at them when they eat? Have you seen the smaller ones actually eat anything? It's possible they were starving. You can try getting one that's larger than the one you have now and see what happens.
I wanted to get 1 of them before but after researching them a bit, I realized they'd probably eat some of my fish and would eventually need a brackish tank.
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That is very strange. Maybe your gravel is tasty.
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Old 02-21-2005, 04:46 PM   #4
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Rok: Yes, I always make sure that all the fish are eating. Come feeding time no one has any problems standing up for themselves.

Meredith: I wish it was that simple... too bad it's happened with 2 different kinds of gravel now. And it's only happened after the second fish was bullied to the point of being "blind" and frayed fins.
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Old 02-21-2005, 10:53 PM   #5
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I am so sry i have a colubion shark catfish now. and i have sand with him. You could try sand maybe.
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I bet they would enjoy the sand.
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Actually, these are schooling fish. Keeping these fish in pairs, the larger one will always chase the smaller to death. They also require high-end BW & Sw as adults. A school of adults (up to 18") will require a huge tank. How larg a tank is the GSP in? They also require high-end BW & SW as adults.

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Old 02-22-2005, 12:39 AM   #8
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Quote:
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How larg a tank is the GSP in?
The profile says 15 gal.
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Please read the article I wrote. At their adult size (6"), they require 20-30g.
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Yes, I read the whole thread. We're talking about the puffer.
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i saw .lol sorry i missed the gsp
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Pufferpunk: I've read your article and all your stuff in the past. Thank you. The GSP is in a 15 as of now, and isn't more than 1 inch big. So he is fine.

And both tanks are currently brackish, and I raise the amount of salt every 6 months.

I will have no problem with having the puffer in a larger tank. I have my old 29 in the basement as a matter of fact, just no where to set it up right now. So that's not a problem. But right now he is perfectly fine in the one he has.

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Are you using aquarium salt or sea salt
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Actually even sea salt isn't enough. It must be marine salt, specifically made for marine tanks. See: http://www.aquasource.org/CMS/module...rtid=54&page=1
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wow! puffer is quick with a web link. Good job!!!
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I use instant ocean... so it's marine salt.
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Quote:
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Actually even sea salt isn't enough. It must be marine salt, specifically made for marine tanks.
That's actually what I meant.
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