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Old 05-17-2005, 10:00 PM   #1
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Salt, Salt, or Salt? oh and PH

Is there a safe replacement for aquarium salt? Rock salt, canning salt or any salt that is not iodized? I have used and paid the price for aquarium salt and with getting ready to set up 2-3 more tanks, is there a safe, inexpensive alternative to aquarium salt?

Also, my PH is raising, is now 7.6-8 and I was wondering what might be causing it. I recently removed the undergravel filter and wound up with an invasion of snails from outerspace, a PH spike and an ammonia build up. The ammonia is being controlled with water changes 3 times a week but the PH is staying high. Could this be from smashing the small snails? Could it be an after affect from removing the undergravel filter, coud it be from the melafix treatment for my C. trilineatus? Is there something else that could be causing it?
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Aquarium salt is about the least expensive additive that goes into your tank so I'm confused. A pint of Dr. Wellfish's aquarium salt is less then $2.00 and can last months depending on how much you use which shouldn't be all that much. I wouldn't use anything but aquarium salt....it's cheap and safe.
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Old 05-18-2005, 04:00 AM   #3
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I wouldn't use anything but aquarium salt....it's cheap and safe.
That doesn't really answer the question. The question is whether there is anything CHEAPER and still safe.
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Old 05-18-2005, 07:27 AM   #4
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Yes. Aquarium salt is nothing more than non-iodized salt. Any Kosher salt will be fine.
It's much less expensive and you should be able to find it in any supermarket.

Your pH might be rising from outgassing of CO2 following the wc. Have you tested your tap water after letting it stand for 24 hours?
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I pay $3.85 per one pound container here from my LFS. I go through 1-2 of them a month so it adds up and I only have 2 10 gallon tanks and a 2.5 gallon. Between removing the undergravel filters and regular water changes it has eaten up a lot of it very quickly. I can't imagine how much a person goes through that has 15+ tanks averaging 20 gallons or more. When I can buy 5 pounds of kosher salt for $1.78, it really helps on a tight budget and the fact I am going to be running 3 more tanks, another 10, a 20 and a 55 so it will go fast.

I will have to try that with my tap water but it has been neutral in all tests before, and that was weeks of sitting. My LFS insists on testing it every time I have a problem and this is the first time since I set them up 8 months ago that it has been off. But who knows, might just a change in the water since the heavy rain.
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Old 05-18-2005, 12:41 PM   #6
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What tank are you using so much salt in? I don't put salt in any of my tanks except if it has ich.
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Old 05-19-2005, 01:47 AM   #7
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I was just gonna ask the same thing. There is absolutely no need for salt in a FW tank, except for medicinal purporses.

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Old 05-19-2005, 03:24 AM   #8
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wrong forum maybe?
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Correct forum, the fish in the sig. are "freshies".
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I held off from saying this too, because some people are down right fanatical about it...but I've never seen a valid, scientifically proven argument, for adding aquarium salt to a freshwater tank on a regular basis. I could go along with mollies wanting a little salt, but for the other FW species...salt shouldn't be needed, unless they're suffering from nitrite poisoning or ich.

therefore my advice is to quit with the salt and use the money for something beneficial.
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Mollies are not a FW species. They are BW.
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Mollies are not a FW species. They are BW.
Mollies can be FW, BW or even SW. That's why I specifically mentioned it could be argued for that family...but not others.
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Well it sounds good to me! If I don't need it then it will also eliminate a lot of the mess from the salt leeching out of the top of the tank. My LFS, yes I took their advice, dumb me , and they told me they use it in all of their tanks and that it was good for the fish to have salt in the water. So I added it at the recommended dose and kept it up for every water change. That's why I use so much.

Will quit adding it on the next water changes and that way it is slowly eliminated so the fish don't go through some major change and hate me.

What fish are considered truely brachish? I will start a new post so maybe others won't make the same mistake about following LFS store advice when dealing with true freshwater, true brachish and ones that can go either way.
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I'd rather use salt then any chemicals
As soon as a disease shows up, i start treating the water with sea rock salt,
and within 1 to 2 days it's cleared up
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Old 05-20-2005, 02:38 PM   #15
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Well I can say this about using salt all the time, I have never had an outbreak of any diseases. I have a C. trilineatus that wounded his nose on my nasty epoxy gravel but never any diseases. Might be because of the salt, might not be. Will let everyone know after I start to remove the salt from the tank and don't add anymore.
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I do 50% weekly water changes & get the same results, for over 25 years.
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I also do 50% weekly water changes with the same results for over 6 years. I have lost a few fish, mainly tetras, but only after having them a few years.
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