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Originally Posted by sinibotia

WE HAVE EGGS!

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01-09-2016, 01:55 PM	#1202
Eggheadfish Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: CT Posts: 1,503	Whoopeeee! Congrats!! __________________

01-09-2016, 02:09 PM	#1203
unstopaBULLFish Aquarium Advice FINatic     Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 839	Originally Posted by sinibotia WE HAVE EGGS! __________________ 01-09-2016, 02:14 PM   #1204 sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916 Originally Posted by unstopaBULLFish Niice! That's great! At the time you posted this I noticed my angels were cleaning their spot..seems they do this every time I go to Mathcounts, if they do lay fingers crossed that by the time I get back there still there. Sent from my iPhone using Aquarium Advice Dude you're in MathCounts!?!? I LOVED MathCounts! Oh my goodness I just got hit by a wave of nostalgia! That's so awesome that you're in it! Are you gonna save your angel's next spawn? And thanks for the congrats everybody __________________ 10 gallon reef   01-09-2016, 02:33 PM   #1205 PoppaRyno member   Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Lawrence, Ks Posts: 3,907 Neener neener neener .. Told ya they would soon. Lol. Thats awesome guys. Just took time. Sent from my LGLS991 using Aquarium Advice mobile app __________________   01-09-2016, 02:50 PM   #1206 sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916 Originally Posted by PoppaRyno Neener neener neener .. Told ya they would soon. Lol. Thats awesome guys. Just took time. Sent from my LGLS991 using Aquarium Advice mobile app You know me- paranoid and impatient I am so excited. I really, really, really hope they didn't lose their parent raising instinct in shipping! This would be my first pair raising experience since a pair of F1 rams back when i was 15 that had a "Eureka" moment randomly and then never parent raised again.... __________________ 10 gallon reef   01-09-2016, 03:02 PM   #1207 Andy Sager Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Lake Wales, Florida Posts: 6,861 Originally Posted by sinibotia You know me- paranoid and impatient I am so excited. I really, really, really hope they didn't lose their parent raising instinct in shipping! This would be my first pair raising experience since a pair of F1 rams back when i was 15 that had a "Eureka" moment randomly and then never parent raised again.... It's not the moving that changes their parenting instincts. Those are there forever when they have them. Not all domesticated Angels have them however and this stems back to the original breeders who bred for colors not for parenting. What changes is their environment. Fish that no longer "parent raise" their fry more often just don't feel secure enough in their new environment for the fry's survival and so they eat the eggs or fry. It's kind of a screwed up psychology. They feel good enough to spawn but not to raise. The drives for these fish are so out of whack with "conventional" wisdom". __________________   01-09-2016, 03:08 PM   #1208 sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916 Originally Posted by Andy Sager It's not the moving that changes their parenting instincts. Those are there forever when they have them. Not all domesticated Angels have them however and this stems back to the original breeders who bred for colors not for parenting. What changes is their environment. Fish that no longer "parent raise" their fry more often just don't feel secure enough in their new environment for the fry's survival and so they eat the eggs or fry. It's kind of a screwed up psychology. They feel good enough to spawn but not to raise. The drives for these fish are so out of whack with "conventional" wisdom". So then as long as they feel comfortable they should still parent? That's good to know. They seem to recognize Ann and I as not a threat- they rush over to greet us whenever we enter the room. Hopefully this means they're secure enough to raise Thanks for the clarification Andy! __________________ 10 gallon reef   01-09-2016, 03:33 PM   #1209 Andy Sager Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Lake Wales, Florida Posts: 6,861 Originally Posted by sinibotia So then as long as they feel comfortable they should still parent? That's good to know. They seem to recognize Ann and I as not a threat- they rush over to greet us whenever we enter the room. Hopefully this means they're secure enough to raise Thanks for the clarification Andy! Sadly, that's not really a criteria for this. They recognize you as a food source and possibly that's all. The best way I have ever found to have fish parent raise their fry is to not be present. Privacy makes them more secure. This is why fish keepers who have their fish in the living room or somewhere where there is high foot traffic and want or expect them to breed, rarely are successful. Case in point goes back to my pair of wild Rams back in the 80s. I had an entire room dedicated to breeding fish. I had multiple species of fish breeding in that room like rabbits but it wasn't until I put the rams in their 3rd location inside that room, way back in the corner where nobody usually went, that they started spawning. The only change to their routine was the location. The privacy was what was missing. Once they had that, I got eggs and fry. So they didn't mind me feeding them, they just minded me being there for "the deed". Just sayin'...... __________________   01-09-2016, 03:38 PM   #1210 sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916 Originally Posted by Andy Sager Sadly, that's not really a criteria for this. They recognize you as a food source and possibly that's all. The best way I have ever found to have fish parent raise their fry is to not be present. Privacy makes them more secure. This is why fish keepers who have their fish in the living room or somewhere where there is high foot traffic and want or expect them to breed, rarely are successful. Case in point goes back to my pair of wild Rams back in the 80s. I had an entire room dedicated to breeding fish. I had multiple species of fish breeding in that room like rabbits but it wasn't until I put the rams in their 3rd location inside that room, way back in the corner where nobody usually went, that they started spawning. The only change to their routine was the location. The privacy was what was missing. Once they had that, I got eggs and fry. So they didn't mind me feeding them, they just minded me being there for "the deed". Just sayin'...... So then I'll sleep on the couch for a month, those fish are in our bedroom __________________ 10 gallon reef   01-09-2016, 03:46 PM   #1211 unstopaBULLFish Aquarium Advice FINatic     Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 839 Originally Posted by sinibotia Dude you're in MathCounts!?!? I LOVED MathCounts! Oh my goodness I just got hit by a wave of nostalgia! That's so awesome that you're in it! Are you gonna save your angel's next spawn? And thanks for the congrats everybody Seriously! Dude that's awesome! Mathlete pride! Competition is coming up and I'm set on winning. It'll be tough though some serious competition and our coaching is a joke . Can't pull them unfortunately since they usually lay on the intake. Still haven't go a chance to get te slate since all my money has been dropped on my planted tank stuff, can't even imagine ever going SW now. Sent from my iPhone using Aquarium Advice __________________   01-09-2016, 03:47 PM   #1212 Andy Sager Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Lake Wales, Florida Posts: 6,861 Originally Posted by sinibotia So then I'll sleep on the couch for a month, those fish are in our bedroom OR..... 1- Seriously consider moving the fish to a more private area of the house. 2- Don't be disappointed if they don't parent raise. 3- Don't automatically think it's the fish. 4- remand yourself to the understanding that if you want fry, YOU have to raise them. And if all else fails, 5- "sleep on the couch for a month" and see what happens. __________________   01-09-2016, 03:54 PM   #1213 sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916 Originally Posted by Andy Sager OR..... 1- Seriously consider moving the fish to a more private area of the house. 2- Don't be disappointed if they don't parent raise. 3- Don't automatically think it's the fish. 4- remand yourself to the understanding that if you want fry, YOU have to raise them. And if all else fails, 5- "sleep on the couch for a month" and see what happens. 1- This house doesn't have a private area.... actually the bedroom IS the most private area considering we've got a toddler and that's the only place he isn't allowed 2- Already there. I just want to let them try. 3. See above. 4. After this attempt I'll be raising their fry myself. But you never know I'm not necessarily expecting this to be successful, just hoping it is. __________________ 10 gallon reef   01-09-2016, 06:03 PM   #1214 sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916 Originally Posted by unstopaBULLFish Seriously! Dude that's awesome! Mathlete pride! Competition is coming up and I'm set on winning. It'll be tough though some serious competition and our coaching is a joke . Can't pull them unfortunately since they usually lay on the intake. Still haven't go a chance to get te slate since all my money has been dropped on my planted tank stuff, can't even imagine ever going SW now. Sent from my iPhone using Aquarium Advice Hey don't worry too much about winning, just have fun with it. My school never did very well but I made some great friends in MathCounts and MathLeague and you will be SO glad that you did this stuff once you hit college. Math and good study habits are what separate the people who struggle in college and the people who excel. Well, I talked to Ann, and we're gonna artificially rear this spawn after all __________________ 10 gallon reef   01-09-2016, 06:24 PM   #1215 sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916 Soaked flake in 3% epsom salt solution and fed it to the redhead kois after reading a study suggesting it is in fact very effective in treating hexamita. They at a little bit each. Hopefully this improves their condition and appetite... __________________ 10 gallon reef   01-09-2016, 06:24 PM   #1216 unstopaBULLFish Aquarium Advice FINatic     Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 839 Originally Posted by sinibotia Hey don't worry too much about winning, just have fun with it. My school never did very well but I made some great friends in MathCounts and MathLeague and you will be SO glad that you did this stuff once you hit college. Math and good study habits are what separate the people who struggle in college and the people who excel. Well, I talked to Ann, and we're gonna artificially rear this spawn after all Eh, 3 reasons I'm in Mathcounts, DUKE Tip , fun and if I win always possibility of fish money. Sent from my iPhone using Aquarium Advice __________________   01-09-2016, 08:13 PM   #1217 sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916 Picture of the first spawn Attached Thumbnails       __________________ 10 gallon reef   01-09-2016, 08:15 PM   #1218 PoppaRyno member   Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Lawrence, Ks Posts: 3,907 So many eggs.... Lil guys were buildin that up.... Lol Sent from my LGLS991 using Aquarium Advice mobile app __________________   01-09-2016, 08:19 PM   #1219 sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916 Originally Posted by PoppaRyno So many eggs.... Lil guys were buildin that up.... Lol Sent from my LGLS991 using Aquarium Advice mobile app Lol it seems like less to us because it's on a bigger slate Do they look good to you? They seem a lot whiter than the eggs from the redhead marbles but that could be because of the lighter colored slate and the difference in lighting (LEDs on the 29 vs incandescents on the 20) I'm so paranoid about this spawn... __________________ 10 gallon reef   01-09-2016, 08:29 PM   #1220 PoppaRyno member   Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Lawrence, Ks Posts: 3,907 I cant quite tell from pic. Are the clear or amberish. 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[Eggheadfish]

Whoopeeee! Congrats!!

[unstopaBULLFish]

Originally Posted by sinibotia

WE HAVE EGGS!

__________________

01-09-2016, 02:14 PM	#1204
sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916	Originally Posted by unstopaBULLFish Niice! That's great! At the time you posted this I noticed my angels were cleaning their spot..seems they do this every time I go to Mathcounts, if they do lay fingers crossed that by the time I get back there still there. Sent from my iPhone using Aquarium Advice Dude you're in MathCounts!?!? I LOVED MathCounts! Oh my goodness I just got hit by a wave of nostalgia! That's so awesome that you're in it! Are you gonna save your angel's next spawn? And thanks for the congrats everybody __________________ 10 gallon reef

01-09-2016, 02:33 PM	#1205
PoppaRyno member   Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Lawrence, Ks Posts: 3,907	Neener neener neener .. Told ya they would soon. Lol. Thats awesome guys. Just took time. Sent from my LGLS991 using Aquarium Advice mobile app __________________

01-09-2016, 02:50 PM	#1206
sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916	Originally Posted by PoppaRyno Neener neener neener .. Told ya they would soon. Lol. Thats awesome guys. Just took time. Sent from my LGLS991 using Aquarium Advice mobile app You know me- paranoid and impatient I am so excited. I really, really, really hope they didn't lose their parent raising instinct in shipping! This would be my first pair raising experience since a pair of F1 rams back when i was 15 that had a "Eureka" moment randomly and then never parent raised again.... __________________ 10 gallon reef

01-09-2016, 03:02 PM	#1207
Andy Sager Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Lake Wales, Florida Posts: 6,861	Originally Posted by sinibotia You know me- paranoid and impatient I am so excited. I really, really, really hope they didn't lose their parent raising instinct in shipping! This would be my first pair raising experience since a pair of F1 rams back when i was 15 that had a "Eureka" moment randomly and then never parent raised again.... It's not the moving that changes their parenting instincts. Those are there forever when they have them. Not all domesticated Angels have them however and this stems back to the original breeders who bred for colors not for parenting. What changes is their environment. Fish that no longer "parent raise" their fry more often just don't feel secure enough in their new environment for the fry's survival and so they eat the eggs or fry. It's kind of a screwed up psychology. They feel good enough to spawn but not to raise. The drives for these fish are so out of whack with "conventional" wisdom". __________________

01-09-2016, 03:08 PM	#1208
sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916	Originally Posted by Andy Sager It's not the moving that changes their parenting instincts. Those are there forever when they have them. Not all domesticated Angels have them however and this stems back to the original breeders who bred for colors not for parenting. What changes is their environment. Fish that no longer "parent raise" their fry more often just don't feel secure enough in their new environment for the fry's survival and so they eat the eggs or fry. It's kind of a screwed up psychology. They feel good enough to spawn but not to raise. The drives for these fish are so out of whack with "conventional" wisdom". So then as long as they feel comfortable they should still parent? That's good to know. They seem to recognize Ann and I as not a threat- they rush over to greet us whenever we enter the room. Hopefully this means they're secure enough to raise Thanks for the clarification Andy! __________________ 10 gallon reef

01-09-2016, 03:33 PM	#1209
Andy Sager Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Lake Wales, Florida Posts: 6,861	Originally Posted by sinibotia So then as long as they feel comfortable they should still parent? That's good to know. They seem to recognize Ann and I as not a threat- they rush over to greet us whenever we enter the room. Hopefully this means they're secure enough to raise Thanks for the clarification Andy! Sadly, that's not really a criteria for this. They recognize you as a food source and possibly that's all. The best way I have ever found to have fish parent raise their fry is to not be present. Privacy makes them more secure. This is why fish keepers who have their fish in the living room or somewhere where there is high foot traffic and want or expect them to breed, rarely are successful. Case in point goes back to my pair of wild Rams back in the 80s. I had an entire room dedicated to breeding fish. I had multiple species of fish breeding in that room like rabbits but it wasn't until I put the rams in their 3rd location inside that room, way back in the corner where nobody usually went, that they started spawning. The only change to their routine was the location. The privacy was what was missing. Once they had that, I got eggs and fry. So they didn't mind me feeding them, they just minded me being there for "the deed". Just sayin'...... __________________

01-09-2016, 03:38 PM	#1210
sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916	Originally Posted by Andy Sager Sadly, that's not really a criteria for this. They recognize you as a food source and possibly that's all. The best way I have ever found to have fish parent raise their fry is to not be present. Privacy makes them more secure. This is why fish keepers who have their fish in the living room or somewhere where there is high foot traffic and want or expect them to breed, rarely are successful. Case in point goes back to my pair of wild Rams back in the 80s. I had an entire room dedicated to breeding fish. I had multiple species of fish breeding in that room like rabbits but it wasn't until I put the rams in their 3rd location inside that room, way back in the corner where nobody usually went, that they started spawning. The only change to their routine was the location. The privacy was what was missing. Once they had that, I got eggs and fry. So they didn't mind me feeding them, they just minded me being there for "the deed". Just sayin'...... So then I'll sleep on the couch for a month, those fish are in our bedroom __________________ 10 gallon reef

01-09-2016, 03:46 PM	#1211
unstopaBULLFish Aquarium Advice FINatic     Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 839	Originally Posted by sinibotia Dude you're in MathCounts!?!? I LOVED MathCounts! Oh my goodness I just got hit by a wave of nostalgia! That's so awesome that you're in it! Are you gonna save your angel's next spawn? And thanks for the congrats everybody Seriously! Dude that's awesome! Mathlete pride! Competition is coming up and I'm set on winning. It'll be tough though some serious competition and our coaching is a joke . Can't pull them unfortunately since they usually lay on the intake. Still haven't go a chance to get te slate since all my money has been dropped on my planted tank stuff, can't even imagine ever going SW now. Sent from my iPhone using Aquarium Advice __________________

01-09-2016, 03:47 PM	#1212
Andy Sager Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Lake Wales, Florida Posts: 6,861	Originally Posted by sinibotia So then I'll sleep on the couch for a month, those fish are in our bedroom OR..... 1- Seriously consider moving the fish to a more private area of the house. 2- Don't be disappointed if they don't parent raise. 3- Don't automatically think it's the fish. 4- remand yourself to the understanding that if you want fry, YOU have to raise them. And if all else fails, 5- "sleep on the couch for a month" and see what happens. __________________

01-09-2016, 03:54 PM	#1213
sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916	Originally Posted by Andy Sager OR..... 1- Seriously consider moving the fish to a more private area of the house. 2- Don't be disappointed if they don't parent raise. 3- Don't automatically think it's the fish. 4- remand yourself to the understanding that if you want fry, YOU have to raise them. And if all else fails, 5- "sleep on the couch for a month" and see what happens. 1- This house doesn't have a private area.... actually the bedroom IS the most private area considering we've got a toddler and that's the only place he isn't allowed 2- Already there. I just want to let them try. 3. See above. 4. After this attempt I'll be raising their fry myself. But you never know I'm not necessarily expecting this to be successful, just hoping it is. __________________ 10 gallon reef

01-09-2016, 06:03 PM	#1214
sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916	Originally Posted by unstopaBULLFish Seriously! Dude that's awesome! Mathlete pride! Competition is coming up and I'm set on winning. It'll be tough though some serious competition and our coaching is a joke . Can't pull them unfortunately since they usually lay on the intake. Still haven't go a chance to get te slate since all my money has been dropped on my planted tank stuff, can't even imagine ever going SW now. Sent from my iPhone using Aquarium Advice Hey don't worry too much about winning, just have fun with it. My school never did very well but I made some great friends in MathCounts and MathLeague and you will be SO glad that you did this stuff once you hit college. Math and good study habits are what separate the people who struggle in college and the people who excel. Well, I talked to Ann, and we're gonna artificially rear this spawn after all __________________ 10 gallon reef

01-09-2016, 06:24 PM	#1215
sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916	Soaked flake in 3% epsom salt solution and fed it to the redhead kois after reading a study suggesting it is in fact very effective in treating hexamita. They at a little bit each. Hopefully this improves their condition and appetite... __________________ 10 gallon reef

01-09-2016, 06:24 PM	#1216
unstopaBULLFish Aquarium Advice FINatic     Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 839	Originally Posted by sinibotia Hey don't worry too much about winning, just have fun with it. My school never did very well but I made some great friends in MathCounts and MathLeague and you will be SO glad that you did this stuff once you hit college. Math and good study habits are what separate the people who struggle in college and the people who excel. Well, I talked to Ann, and we're gonna artificially rear this spawn after all Eh, 3 reasons I'm in Mathcounts, DUKE Tip , fun and if I win always possibility of fish money. Sent from my iPhone using Aquarium Advice __________________

01-09-2016, 08:13 PM	#1217
sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916	Picture of the first spawn Attached Thumbnails       __________________ 10 gallon reef

01-09-2016, 08:15 PM	#1218
PoppaRyno member   Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Lawrence, Ks Posts: 3,907	So many eggs.... Lil guys were buildin that up.... Lol Sent from my LGLS991 using Aquarium Advice mobile app __________________

01-09-2016, 08:19 PM	#1219
sinibotia Aquarium Advice Addict     Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Central Maine Posts: 3,916	Originally Posted by PoppaRyno So many eggs.... Lil guys were buildin that up.... Lol Sent from my LGLS991 using Aquarium Advice mobile app Lol it seems like less to us because it's on a bigger slate Do they look good to you? They seem a lot whiter than the eggs from the redhead marbles but that could be because of the lighter colored slate and the difference in lighting (LEDs on the 29 vs incandescents on the 20) I'm so paranoid about this spawn... __________________ 10 gallon reef

01-09-2016, 08:29 PM	#1220
PoppaRyno member   Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Lawrence, Ks Posts: 3,907	I cant quite tell from pic. Are the clear or amberish. Sent from my LGLS991 using Aquarium Advice mobile app __________________

[sinibotia]

Originally Posted by unstopaBULLFish

Niice! That's great! At the time you posted this I noticed my angels were cleaning their spot..seems they do this every time I go to Mathcounts, if they do lay fingers crossed that by the time I get back there still there.


Sent from my iPhone using Aquarium Advice

Dude you're in MathCounts!?!? I LOVED MathCounts! Oh my goodness I just got hit by a wave of nostalgia! That's so awesome that you're in it!

Are you gonna save your angel's next spawn?

And thanks for the congrats everybody

[PoppaRyno]

Neener neener neener .. Told ya they would soon. Lol. Thats awesome guys. Just took time.

Sent from my LGLS991 using Aquarium Advice mobile app

[sinibotia]

Originally Posted by PoppaRyno

Neener neener neener .. Told ya they would soon. Lol. Thats awesome guys. Just took time.

Sent from my LGLS991 using Aquarium Advice mobile app

You know me- paranoid and impatient I am so excited. I really, really, really hope they didn't lose their parent raising instinct in shipping! This would be my first pair raising experience since a pair of F1 rams back when i was 15 that had a "Eureka" moment randomly and then never parent raised again....

[Andy Sager]

Originally Posted by sinibotia

You know me- paranoid and impatient I am so excited. I really, really, really hope they didn't lose their parent raising instinct in shipping! This would be my first pair raising experience since a pair of F1 rams back when i was 15 that had a "Eureka" moment randomly and then never parent raised again....

It's not the moving that changes their parenting instincts. Those are there forever when they have them. Not all domesticated Angels have them however and this stems back to the original breeders who bred for colors not for parenting. What changes is their environment. Fish that no longer "parent raise" their fry more often just don't feel secure enough in their new environment for the fry's survival and so they eat the eggs or fry. It's kind of a screwed up psychology. They feel good enough to spawn but not to raise. The drives for these fish are so out of whack with "conventional" wisdom".

[sinibotia]

Originally Posted by Andy Sager

It's not the moving that changes their parenting instincts. Those are there forever when they have them. Not all domesticated Angels have them however and this stems back to the original breeders who bred for colors not for parenting. What changes is their environment. Fish that no longer "parent raise" their fry more often just don't feel secure enough in their new environment for the fry's survival and so they eat the eggs or fry. It's kind of a screwed up psychology. They feel good enough to spawn but not to raise. The drives for these fish are so out of whack with "conventional" wisdom".

So then as long as they feel comfortable they should still parent? That's good to know. They seem to recognize Ann and I as not a threat- they rush over to greet us whenever we enter the room. Hopefully this means they're secure enough to raise
Thanks for the clarification Andy!

[Andy Sager]

Originally Posted by sinibotia

So then as long as they feel comfortable they should still parent? That's good to know. They seem to recognize Ann and I as not a threat- they rush over to greet us whenever we enter the room. Hopefully this means they're secure enough to raise
Thanks for the clarification Andy!

Sadly, that's not really a criteria for this. They recognize you as a food source and possibly that's all. The best way I have ever found to have fish parent raise their fry is to not be present. Privacy makes them more secure. This is why fish keepers who have their fish in the living room or somewhere where there is high foot traffic and want or expect them to breed, rarely are successful. Case in point goes back to my pair of wild Rams back in the 80s. I had an entire room dedicated to breeding fish. I had multiple species of fish breeding in that room like rabbits but it wasn't until I put the rams in their 3rd location inside that room, way back in the corner where nobody usually went, that they started spawning. The only change to their routine was the location. The privacy was what was missing. Once they had that, I got eggs and fry. So they didn't mind me feeding them, they just minded me being there for "the deed".

Just sayin'......

[sinibotia]

Originally Posted by Andy Sager

Sadly, that's not really a criteria for this. They recognize you as a food source and possibly that's all. The best way I have ever found to have fish parent raise their fry is to not be present. Privacy makes them more secure. This is why fish keepers who have their fish in the living room or somewhere where there is high foot traffic and want or expect them to breed, rarely are successful. Case in point goes back to my pair of wild Rams back in the 80s. I had an entire room dedicated to breeding fish. I had multiple species of fish breeding in that room like rabbits but it wasn't until I put the rams in their 3rd location inside that room, way back in the corner where nobody usually went, that they started spawning. The only change to their routine was the location. The privacy was what was missing. Once they had that, I got eggs and fry. So they didn't mind me feeding them, they just minded me being there for "the deed".

Just sayin'......

So then I'll sleep on the couch for a month, those fish are in our bedroom

[unstopaBULLFish]

Originally Posted by sinibotia

Dude you're in MathCounts!?!? I LOVED MathCounts! Oh my goodness I just got hit by a wave of nostalgia! That's so awesome that you're in it!



Are you gonna save your angel's next spawn?



And thanks for the congrats everybody

Seriously! Dude that's awesome! Mathlete pride! Competition is coming up and I'm set on winning. It'll be tough though some serious competition and our coaching is a joke . Can't pull them unfortunately since they usually lay on the intake. Still haven't go a chance to get te slate since all my money has been dropped on my planted tank stuff, can't even imagine ever going SW now.


Sent from my iPhone using Aquarium Advice

[Andy Sager]

Originally Posted by sinibotia

So then I'll sleep on the couch for a month, those fish are in our bedroom

OR.....
1- Seriously consider moving the fish to a more private area of the house.
2- Don't be disappointed if they don't parent raise.
3- Don't automatically think it's the fish.
4- remand yourself to the understanding that if you want fry, YOU have to raise them.


And if all else fails, 5- "sleep on the couch for a month" and see what happens.

[sinibotia]

Originally Posted by Andy Sager

OR.....
1- Seriously consider moving the fish to a more private area of the house.
2- Don't be disappointed if they don't parent raise.
3- Don't automatically think it's the fish.
4- remand yourself to the understanding that if you want fry, YOU have to raise them.


And if all else fails, 5- "sleep on the couch for a month" and see what happens.

1- This house doesn't have a private area.... actually the bedroom IS the most private area considering we've got a toddler and that's the only place he isn't allowed
2- Already there. I just want to let them try.
3. See above.
4. After this attempt I'll be raising their fry myself. But you never know

I'm not necessarily expecting this to be successful, just hoping it is.

[sinibotia]

Originally Posted by unstopaBULLFish

Seriously! Dude that's awesome! Mathlete pride! Competition is coming up and I'm set on winning. It'll be tough though some serious competition and our coaching is a joke . Can't pull them unfortunately since they usually lay on the intake. Still haven't go a chance to get te slate since all my money has been dropped on my planted tank stuff, can't even imagine ever going SW now.


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Hey don't worry too much about winning, just have fun with it. My school never did very well but I made some great friends in MathCounts and MathLeague and you will be SO glad that you did this stuff once you hit college. Math and good study habits are what separate the people who struggle in college and the people who excel.

Well, I talked to Ann, and we're gonna artificially rear this spawn after all

[sinibotia]

Soaked flake in 3% epsom salt solution and fed it to the redhead kois after reading a study suggesting it is in fact very effective in treating hexamita. They at a little bit each. Hopefully this improves their condition and appetite...

[unstopaBULLFish]

Originally Posted by sinibotia

Hey don't worry too much about winning, just have fun with it. My school never did very well but I made some great friends in MathCounts and MathLeague and you will be SO glad that you did this stuff once you hit college. Math and good study habits are what separate the people who struggle in college and the people who excel.

Well, I talked to Ann, and we're gonna artificially rear this spawn after all

Eh, 3 reasons I'm in Mathcounts, DUKE Tip , fun and if I win always possibility of fish money.


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Picture of the first spawn

[PoppaRyno]

So many eggs.... Lil guys were buildin that up.... Lol

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[sinibotia]

Originally Posted by PoppaRyno

So many eggs.... Lil guys were buildin that up.... Lol

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Lol it seems like less to us because it's on a bigger slate Do they look good to you? They seem a lot whiter than the eggs from the redhead marbles but that could be because of the lighter colored slate and the difference in lighting (LEDs on the 29 vs incandescents on the 20) I'm so paranoid about this spawn...

[PoppaRyno]

I cant quite tell from pic. Are the clear or amberish.

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