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Old 12-13-2004, 06:26 PM   #1
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A few startup questions

Hello all. A few questions for you. I'm a newbie to the aquarium hobby and after quite a bit of research and lurking areound here, decided to start up a new 38gal FW community tank. I've read up on all the pros & cons of fish vs fishless cycling and decided to go the fish route (I'm one of those impatient ones ).

My tank setup is as follows: Penguin 300 filter, 1x150W heater and a small pump with airstone, regular gravel, a couple of pieces of driftwood and added a couple of live plants along with a few silk ones. No added chemicals or extra media added to the filters (beyond the std. media).

Set everything up and let it run for a day or two before adding any fish. I've added 2 Dalmation Mollies (1M/1F), 3 Columbian Tetras and 4 small zebra danios. It's been about 2 weeks now and everything is stready and going good. The male molly died after about few days, but I attribute that to getting them from your average pet supply store vs. a decent LFS (still looking for a good one) and his behavior was never as active as the female. I'm feeding lightly once or twice a day and they are all starting to come to the surface expecting food whenever I open the tank lid for feeding, testing, etc.

I've been testing the water every day. Current conditions as of today:

Ammonia = .25 (steady since about day 3)
Nitrites = .25 (just started yesterday)
PH = 7.8 (steady)
Temp = 75 (steady)

Questions:

1.) Over the last few days, I've started to see small balls of fluffy white algae (q-tip size) growing on the driftwood and a bit of white algea on the glass - I'm thinking algea bloom, but from what I've been reading, don't blooms usually consist of green or brown algea and also make the water cloudy? My water is crystal clear.

2.) I'm a bit confused about my stable ammonia levels. Nitrites have not really risen until yesterday, but with the bio-load, shouldn't ammonia levels have been steadily increasing before now? They've been a steady .25 for more than a week now. Do I need more of a bio-load? If not, if I add more fish after a complete cycle, will there be enough of a current bio-load to avoid a mini-cycle once I add more fish?

3.)This is a spin-off question off of #1 and #2 - if I do have algea, is it feasible to add a couple algea eaters at this point? I'd like to add a few otos, but in mid-cycle this isn't a good idea since they are so fragile - also, I don't want a pleco - too ugly for my tastes! Other suggestions?

4.)When my cycle completes, I'd like to add a few more danios and tetras each to complete their schools, especially the Columbian Tetras. The pet store I got them from didn't have many left, and I have not seen any more anywhere locally (at this point, I'm reluctant to buy livestock off the internet). Will different sub-species of schooling fish form a school with each other as if they were one big school (i.e. 3 Columians and 3 headlight/tailight Tetras) and therefore be truly happy as one big school of a single species?

5.)Lastly, what do you think of my PH? it's steady, but is it too high? I'm also a bit worried because it comes out of my tap at something like 8.8 (I'm currently in the process of testing tap water after standing overnight) and I'll be using a python to to my PWCs. Won't the large PH difference stress the fish?

I know that's quite a bit to digest, but thanks for any and all help in advance.

Cheers
Nunny

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Old 12-14-2004, 12:34 AM   #2
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[center:6da538cf91] Welcome to AA, Nunny!! [/center:6da538cf91]
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That's mold or fungus. How often/much are you feeding? What are you feeding?
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Yes. What kind of test kit are you using--strips or liquid?
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I'd like to add a few otos, but in mid-cycle this isn't a good idea since they are so fragile - also, I don't want a pleco - too ugly for my tastes! Other suggestions?
Since it's not algae, there is no need for an algae eater Plus, otos, cories and the smaller plecos are sensitive to poor water conditions.
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Will different sub-species of schooling fish form a school with each other as if they were one big school (i.e. 3 Columians and 3 headlight/tailight Tetras) and therefore be truly happy as one big school of a single species?
It really depends on the personality of the fish. I never found my tetras (serpae) to school and they barely shoaled
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I like it. As the tank ages, you will see it go down to 7.5 (or so). Definitely let us know what the tap water reads after sitting out overnight.
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hi nunny ...and welcome to aa... ...
i am not quite qualified enough to offer u advice on cycling...but don't worry...someone will definitely come along with tons of info...
about algae eaters...
mollies themselves are pretty good algae eaters and people add them for the same purpose...but they are also a bit fragile and need a little bit of salt in their water for good health...and u need to starve them a little...feed every other day...
other than that, chinese algae eaters are very hardy...but they also get pretty big and aggressive as they mature, with their tendency to eat algae decreasing...siamese algae eaters(the true ones) do a great job but are hard to find...u could always scrape it off...

about schooling
fish generally school if there is a similarity in shape, size and color...though there's an interesting thread about clown loaches trying to school with tiger barbs!!...
but i'm afraid columbian tetras would not like to socialize with head-n-taillight tetras...
u could ask ur lfs to bring in some for u...

best of luck with cycling...
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oops...look like i was posting at the same time menagerie was...
told u someone was coming along...
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That's mold or fungus. How often/much are you feeding? What are you feeding?
I'm feeding regular tropical flakes and spirulina flakes (alternating them) two light feedings per day - just a small pinch. I grind it up fine so that they will eat it, otherwise I found early on that they won't eat the bigger stuff and it goes to waste on the bottom.

What to do about the mold/fungus?

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Yes. What kind of test kit are you using--strips or liquid?
I'm using the Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Freshwater Master Test Kit - the tests seem to be very consistant, no wild fluctuations.

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Tap water this morning was around 8.2 - 8.4. No problems adding 8.8 PH fresh tap water during PWCs?

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mollies themselves are pretty good algae eaters and people add them for the same purpose...but they are also a bit fragile and need a little bit of salt in their water for good health...and u need to starve them a little...feed every other day...
Yeah, I found out mollies prefer brackish after I got them however, I'm not looking to go brackish, especially with the other types of fish I want. I guess maybe I'm feeding too much - hence the mold/fungus?

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fish generally school if there is a similarity in shape, size and color...though there's an interesting thread about clown loaches trying to school with tiger barbs!!... but i'm afraid columbian tetras would not like to socialize with head-n-taillight tetras... u could ask ur lfs to bring in some for u...
From what I've seen, columbians and headlights or even bleeding heart or other tetras are all pretty much the same in size shape and even color (just the "accents" seem different). I may just give it a try anyway, and I doubt the local pet stores (petco, pet supplies plus, etc.) would do any special orders - btw, I'm still looking for a good LFS around here.


Once again, thanks for all the help!
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Tap water this morning was around 8.2 - 8.4. No problems adding 8.8 PH fresh tap water during PWCs?
There shouldn't be, especially if the water is aggitated before going in the tank. Using a phyton or just letting a bucket fill up with full force running water.

I feed my fish every other day.

Mollies can live in FW for years and I would be willing to bet most people keep them in FW. If you find you are having problems with them, give them back to the store and select fish that do not prefer any salt.

I'm not a big tetra fan. I know cories seem to school with other cories, but tetras? Let us know if they school or not

As for what to do with the mold/fungus--remove the driftwood and scrub it down with a finger nail scrubber. Clean the white stuff off the glass and hope it doesn't come back. Perhaps someone will have an even better answer. I have never dealt with that before.
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Hi....Welcome to AA!!!

You probably should cut your feedings down to at least once a day.... and keep the feedings small....your fishies won't starve.
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OK... I'll cut back on the feedings to every other day and give that driftwood a good scrub. It was the stuff made by Driftwood Arts and supposed to be more or less cleaned already, but maybe I'll boil it for a bit too, just to be on the safe side.

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Nunny,

Welcome to the forum! I started my tank a little over a month ago, and in the first week I had similar puffs of white fungus growing on my driftwood. There were only a couple of spots, no smaller than a tack head, and they went away by themselves midway through week 2. Good luck!

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