Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Freshwater > Freshwater & Brackish - Getting Started
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 01-30-2011, 10:27 AM   #1
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Croston, Lancashire, UK
Posts: 21
New tank

Hi All I always wanted tropical fish as my Dad had a tank when I was little, now I am nearly 40 I own at 110 litre tank which seems to be taking forever to cycle (8 weeks so far). I have 7 XRay tetra's and I have been reading advice & books on what to do. The ammonia levels have bounced up to 2ppm but are usually between 0.5 and 1. I do a weekly water change where I use tapsafe to clear the water., I put new filters in the pump as I got it second hand, these are building up the bacteria I also add Stress Zyme weekly. Water PH is 6.4, NO2 is 1 and NO3 is about 10. Fish are happy & active but I am unsure to add more until the ammonia level is down to 0ppm. I made a mistake last week where I panicked and bought ammonia removed as the levels went to 4ppm. The fish didn't seem to bother but I have read I may have broken the whole cycling process by doing that.

I am really open to any advice you can pass on.

Thanks
__________________

__________________
Chrostonchap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 10:41 AM   #2
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
Coleallensmom's Avatar


 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,943
Do not add more fish, it will only add to issues you are currently experiencing...and yes, any of those ammonia removers can stall or even restart your cycle. Don't use them! The only good way to control ammonia and nitrite levels when cycling is with daily partial water changes. As any ammonia/nitrites over .25ppm can stress your fish, you may even have to do more than one PWC a day until you get things under control. If you let the Ammonia sit at 2ppm and Nitrites at 1ppm for too long, you may end up with fish losses.
__________________

__________________

Check out my 50 Gallon Build
Coleallensmom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 11:03 AM   #3
member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 1,504
+1

Using chemicals to alter your parameters could result in starting over, or making things worse.

Also I would recommend, like said above, do PWC's everyday with additional prime (detoxifies ammonia and nitrite for 24 hours) until your ammonia and nitrites go to less than 0.25 ppm.

Once your parameters are good, you can start slowly adding fish (1-3 every 2 weeks).

What test kit do you use?
__________________
tyspot1000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 03:00 PM   #4
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Croston, Lancashire, UK
Posts: 21
I will increase the pwc to daily, the reading after tonights change is 0.25, I think the main problem is I overfed the fish at an early stage. When I agitate the gravel to clean there is still a lot of debris come out. I assume the bacteria is not effected by this style of gravel clean?
__________________
Chrostonchap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 03:02 PM   #5
Dividing by 0
Community Admin
 
fort384's Avatar



POTM Champion
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 13,926
There is some beneficial bacteria found in the substrate, but most of it is in the filter. If there is a lot of uneaten food in the gravel, I think the benefits of getting it out of your tank outweigh disturbing the small amount of nitrobacter you might find in the substrate.
fort384 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 03:37 PM   #6
member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 1,504
Like fort said, the cleaning the gravel wont effect the tank, but technically speaking, since your tank is still cycling, I wouldnt advise on doing gravel vaacs. Depending on how much food you feed your fish is how much is left on the bottom, and how many times you feed. Possibly cut back on feeding, Fast a day every now and then if you think your over feeding.
__________________
tyspot1000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2011, 01:07 PM   #7
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Croston, Lancashire, UK
Posts: 21
I bought a API testing kit today and before I performed a PWC the readings were as follows.

Ph Nitrite Nitrate Ammonia
7 5ppm 10ppm 0.5/0.25 (more towards the 0.25)

I am only feeding every 2/3 days now and only feed a few flakes.

I don't have sufficient depth of gravel so intend to add on top of whats in there, its a lot cleaner than it was.

Thanks
__________________
Chrostonchap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2011, 01:11 PM   #8
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
Coleallensmom's Avatar


 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,943
The ammonia is better but your NitrItes are sky high. Your fish will not last long at 5ppm. What were your water parameters after the PWC? If still high, I'd really recommend doing another 50% PWC asap.
__________________

Check out my 50 Gallon Build
Coleallensmom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2011, 09:38 AM   #9
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Croston, Lancashire, UK
Posts: 21
I just did a 40% water change as before I did the the Nitrite was 5ppm still.

The levels have dropped as follows

Ph Nitrite Nitrate Ammonia
6.8 1ppm 10ppm 0.25

The only chemicals I have used are tapsafe & stresszyme+

Thanks for your comments.
__________________
Chrostonchap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2011, 11:41 AM   #10
Dividing by 0
Community Admin
 
fort384's Avatar



POTM Champion
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 13,926
Much better... But you need to keep the nitrites and ammonia below 0.5ppm. I would do another 50% pwc tonight and test again tomorrow.

Once the cycle is complete things will get much easier. But in the mean time cycling with fish will mean daily pwcs.
fort384 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2011, 11:51 AM   #11
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Croston, Lancashire, UK
Posts: 21
So to clarify a second large water change tonight (it's 2 hours since the last), sorry if that sounds like asking the obvious!!!
__________________
Chrostonchap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2011, 12:04 PM   #12
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
Coleallensmom's Avatar


 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,943
Yep, Fort gave you some good advice. I would definitely do another PWC later today to get that number lower.
__________________

Check out my 50 Gallon Build
Coleallensmom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2011, 12:05 PM   #13
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Croston, Lancashire, UK
Posts: 21
Thank again
__________________
Chrostonchap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2011, 03:34 PM   #14
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Croston, Lancashire, UK
Posts: 21
Water changed, fingers crossed for tomorrow mornings test...
__________________
Chrostonchap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2011, 06:59 AM   #15
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Croston, Lancashire, UK
Posts: 21
Tested this morning and the nitrites where high again. Ammonia seems to be staying on the light side of .25 but nitrite is up to the 2+ppm. I did a pwc before going to work will do a 50% tonight.

Is this the latter part of cycling or am I still a long way off?
__________________
Chrostonchap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2011, 09:53 AM   #16
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
Coleallensmom's Avatar


 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,943
You're obviously in the middle of a Nitrite spike. At this point, typically your NitrAtes will start rising and you should then see a drop in your nitrites. However, Your tank is not fully cycled until both your ammonia and nitrites read 0ppm and really there is no way to tell exactly how long that will take. Until then, Keep up the testing and the PWCs and you'll be fine!
__________________

Check out my 50 Gallon Build
Coleallensmom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2011, 07:37 AM   #17
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Croston, Lancashire, UK
Posts: 21
Ammonia now seems under control, but nitrites still spiking to 2-5ppm so doing 2 50% water changes a day... I go on holiday on the 21st I hope this sorts it's self

Sent from my iPad using Aquarium
__________________
Chrostonchap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2011, 09:08 AM   #18
Dividing by 0
Community Admin
 
fort384's Avatar



POTM Champion
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 13,926
You are almost there. I bet you will be good by the 21st.
fort384 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2011, 10:25 AM   #19
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
Coleallensmom's Avatar


 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,943
I agree with Fort. Keep up the PWCs to keep the nitrite lower...it shouldn't be too much longer now.
__________________

Check out my 50 Gallon Build
Coleallensmom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2011, 05:48 AM   #20
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Croston, Lancashire, UK
Posts: 21
I think this reads 2ppm but open to suggestions... This is 20 hours after a 70% water change (added new gravel and it wasn't as clean as I thought I had cleaned it!!)

Sent from my iPhone using Aquarium
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image-1609755185.jpg
Views:	54
Size:	32.1 KB
ID:	27967  
__________________

__________________
Chrostonchap is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
tan

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off








» Photo Contest Winners







All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.