Well I'm gonna try it as I've heard it works and as you guys agree with that, why else would they make products and food with it in if it did nothing? If I have ich in my tank I can cope just not if my fish are uncomfortable with it, I know ich is present in the wild the shrimp and cleaner wrasse help control it and as there are so many fish, space and many other reasons the massive re infestation of tomites to the same fish doesn't happen which is the killer, also captainahab I appreciate your comments and thank you however if setting a quarantine was an option I wouldn't have posted the thread in the first place thanks again guys