Betta - issues (maybe)

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Stavrami

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Hi there my betta was introduced to my tank a week ago 1st 2 days he was hiding in cove ... Most the time I check in on him his either in cove or sort of resting on floor not exactly resting body but just touching it with his underneath fin ... My tank at the time had just finished cycle .. My other fish I bought seen to be fine infact my golden rams r blooming in colour .. But I'm just not sure the betta is acting right I phoned shop and they said this is normal behaviour but I ain't so sure .. If u could confirm if this sounds right or have an opinion I would appreciate it many thanks
 
HI and welcome to AA!

I'm going to ask a few questions that might help pinpoint the issue:

--what size tank?
--do you have the betta in with the rams? any other fish?
--how did you cycle the tank?
--have you tested ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? If so what are they? And what test kit are you using?
--what do you feed the betta? Is it eating? how often do you feed?
 
It's in with 5xdanio 2xrams 1x Borneo sucker all small fish ..... Water is showing fine on tests all standard lvls .. He has not been eating he was in a cove but today when I put blood worm in he came up and ate a little.. He seems to be breathing fine just inactive .. His colour seems to have faded slightly ...if that helps ??
 
Oh and the tank is 120 ltr approx 32 gallons I think .and I feed them all fish flakes and blood worm once or twice a week
 
Sorry I keep answering ur questions separately im on a phone and have to post what I can remember ... I feed them every other day
 
What is your water temp? I feed my fish daily, sometimes twice a day and keep my tanks at 80 degrees. He could be lethargic from being cold or not eating enough.
 
I'm at 25c (77 f) temp ... Although the tanks pretty good size it is one with a lot of height and looking up it says maybe the flow is to much is that a issue do u think ?? If so I'm not sure there's much I can do about that ..
 
See I used to feed my fish everyday when I had a tank years ago but alot of ppl have said to me to do every other day ?? 3 lfs have said it as it keeps water cleaner but tbh a lot of ppl have different ideas but I must admit I thought surely they would be better off feeding every day ? Also I wondered does it take a little time for a betta to settle as it only been a week ??
 
Well I feed daily and my fish are hungry daily. Sometimes I fast them one day a week. I also feed veggies and rotate between different foods.

I think 77 degrees is warm enough. Maybe this betta is so used to being in small quaters that it gets larger digs and doesn't know what to do with itself? Not sure what else to suggest. Bettas seem to like peas, maybe offer some and see if he perks up?
 
Thx Brennae I will try that :) im just happy it's not sounding like its something major with him so ill try some peas and see if that livens him up thx u
 
Hello and welcome. He may just be settling in. My betta likes to chill out alot but is active when I'm near the tank. He also likes to lie on top of the filter near the water line.
Peas are normally fed to help prevent constipation, another alternative that mine loves is daphnia which works in the same way.
 
Watch out for the danios. They like to nip fins and are prone to harassing bettas. I'm not sure about the rams with the betta. I haven't seen that combo before. He could just be getting used to his new environment. They can take a while. I prefer to feed every day.
 
Male bettas really prefer to be housed alone. Some will tolerate some types of fish as tankmates, some are too shy/anxious and get stressed with tankmates, and some are too aggressive and pick on tank mates. In your case, your betta may be stressed by the presence of tank mates.

Also, some other fish will nip the betta's fins, and zebra danios are one species that does tend to be fin-nippers. Also, danios prefer cooler water than bettas, and need more room for them to school, all making them "maybe OK but not recommended" as tankmates for a betta. He might bite his own fins/tail if he's stressed. Check to see if he has any scallop-shaped pieces missing from his fins, and if so, he needs to be housed separately.

77F is minimum temp for a betta. He'll do better at 78-80 on a normal basis (not fluctuating between 78 and 80, but a set temp in that range), and often heal faster or deal with illness faster if the temp is 80 - 82.

Waer flow is important, and may be too strong, as indicated above. In the wild bettas live in relatively sluggish or slow moving streams, marshes, etc. The bettas bred for aquaria are long finned, and the long fins are difficult to maneuver if the current is too strong.

I suggest feeding at least daily. I feed my betta and my other tropical fish at least twice a day, sometimes 3x/day. He needs specific betta food that lists fish as the first ingredient, and pellets are better than flakes, as flakes tend to cause bloat. Freeze-dried foods also cause bloat, even though they are frequently marketed as betta foods. If you want to feed blood worms, brine shrimp, etc., it should be live or frozen (thawed), not freeze-dried.

He also needs frequent access to the water surface, as bettas are labyrinth fish, meaning they breath air. He can breathe underwater, but most go to the surface for gulps of air on a regular basis. If he is staying at the bottom it may be due to presence of other fish between him and the surface, as he may be intimidated by them. You mention that your tank is tall - remember that in the wild most bettas live in shallow waters. He may have trouble getting to the surface for air if the tank is fairly deep and the filter current is too strong.

A week isn't too long for him to have settled into a new home. Many bettas don't eat for the first several days in a new environment, and he can survive more than a week with no food. On the other hand, if he is in any way sick or in a weakened condition, he may need to eat sooner.

Personally, I would recommend putting him in a separate tank of at least 2-2.5 gallons, though 3.5-5g is better, and a 10g isn't too big. An inexpensive alternative would be the largest size of these Petco Pet Keeper for Aquarium Fish - Temporary Fish Tank and Betta Fish Tank from petco.com. The large holds about 3.5g of water when totally full, around 3g when you account for fish, filter, heater, substrate (if you want any), etc. If you don't have another tank and don't have the resources to get one, anothr option would be to build him a separate area within the larger tank. This could be done by using a plastic mesh basket such as those used for pond plants, attached to the side of the aqarium so the top is above the water level, or by building your own container out of plastic mesh (buy at craft stores like Michaels or Jo-Anns). It comes in sheets which can be cut to size, fastened to each other with fishing line to make a box, and again attached to the side of the aqaurium so that the top is out of the water. The enclosure needs to hold at least 1.5g of water (about the size of a shoebox), and again, bigger is recommended. He will need some hiding places in the enclosure with him, like plants, caves, etc. Java moss would be a good choice, as it is very lightweight and he can rest in or on it. Floating plants would also be appreciated, as bettas don't like very bright light and by bringing him to the surface of the tank he will be closer to any light source above the tank. You may want to attach some moss or other plants (live or silk) to the sides and bottom of the enclosure so he isn't stressed by tankmates coming to check him out through the mesh. If you place your heater in or near his enclosure he might get a bit higher heat than the other fish in the tank, which would be good.

Good luck with him, as well as with the rest of your fish.
 
Hi ya peeps would like to thank u all for ur advice & give a little update on how things are going I done a complete clean today washed filters water changed and moved tank around and went out for the day I came back and have checked on him over last few hours and tbh he seems to be acting different today his moving about and coming up to glass and looking at me when looking in so I think I'm fairly happy with his progress although I will keep an eye ... And just as a reference for thousand interested the rams & betta seem to get on extremely well they seem to play with each other a little on occasion as well although if the betta has had enough he goes in cove and won't let them in lol ... Been watching him with danio as I have heard that danio can nip him a little as of yet thou they all seem fine but I will defo keep my eye on this thx again guys & girls
 
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