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Old 04-16-2011, 04:01 PM   #1
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Question Black Moor with a white film???

i just transferred my black moor last night i used lots of used media and decorations from his old tank he seems to lay at the bottom today he will take a big swim then rest over his bubble wall for a while and i noticed a light white film on his back any ideas

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Here is some pics of midnight the 3rd pic you can see it the best his eyes are not cloudy its just the picture
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Old 04-16-2011, 07:34 PM   #3
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Question Black Moor with a white film???

my moor has a white film on him its almost like baking flour its not puffy or cottony he lays at the bottom with his top fin down most of the time today followed by a quick lap around the tank he just moved to a bigger tank last night i had to move them before the tank fully cycled because the tank had a leak and it was getting worse i figured better off then finding them on the floor
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here are the pics tell me what you think
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Old 04-16-2011, 07:57 PM   #6
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i just transferred my black moor last night tank is cycled and i used lots of used media and decorations from his old tank he seems to lay at the bottom today he will take a big swim then rest over his bubble wall for a while and i noticed a light white film on his back any ideas
I have the same thing going on with my Moors and it doesn't seem to bother them, at least at feeding time lol. My smaller Moor will laze on the bottom, but doesn't have an issue moving around at will. Sometimes I think it's just lazier than the other two.

I've tried almost everything (and then some) and no luck resolving it. The only thing left that I'm gonna try is Jungle's Fungus buddy (whatever?), they fizz so maybe that'll fix it. If you figure it out, please post the info because there's a couple people with that issue.
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will do i was looking at that thread about the tank buddies too and i seen your name there same if you figure something out let me know this is the only thing i found so far

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Symptoms: Milky cloudiness on skin. This is a rare protozoan disease that causes a cloudiness of the skin. The best treatment is with copper at 0.2 mg per liter (0.2 ppm) to be repeated once in a few days if necessary. Acriflavine (trypaflavine) may be used instead at 0.2% solution (1 ml per liter). As acriflavine can possibly sterilize fish and copper can lead to poisoning, the water should be gradually changed after a cure has been effected.
Raising the water temperature to 80 - 83 F for a few days has also been effective.
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will do i was looking at that thread about the tank buddies too and i seen your name there same if you figure something out let me know this is the only thing i found so far

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Symptoms: Milky cloudiness on skin. This is a rare protozoan disease that causes a cloudiness of the skin. The best treatment is with copper at 0.2 mg per liter (0.2 ppm) to be repeated once in a few days if necessary. Acriflavine (trypaflavine) may be used instead at 0.2% solution (1 ml per liter). As acriflavine can possibly sterilize fish and copper can lead to poisoning, the water should be gradually changed after a cure has been effected.
Raising the water temperature to 80 - 83 F for a few days has also been effective.
but looking at pictures i dont think thats it either
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Old 04-16-2011, 10:28 PM   #9
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will do i was looking at that thread about the tank buddies too and i seen your name there same if you figure something out let me know this is the only thing i found so far

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Symptoms: Milky cloudiness on skin. This is a rare protozoan disease that causes a cloudiness of the skin. The best treatment is with copper at 0.2 mg per liter (0.2 ppm) to be repeated once in a few days if necessary. Acriflavine (trypaflavine) may be used instead at 0.2% solution (1 ml per liter). As acriflavine can possibly sterilize fish and copper can lead to poisoning, the water should be gradually changed after a cure has been effected.
Raising the water temperature to 80 - 83 F for a few days has also been effective.
I'm really hesitant about using copper even in a QT and like you say, I'm not positive that's the issue. I did a 12 day QT about a month or so ago and then a egg laying frenzy broke out, so I want to give them a rest before I put them thru anything again.
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i never tried it thought i would see what you think
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From the pics, it looks like thickened slime coat, which can be anything from poor water quality (ammonia) to parasites.

Did you check the water parameters of the old tank before the move? It is possible that the old tank water had drifted significantly from tap & is very different from your new water. Also, check the new tank's water now & see if anything is amiss. It is never a bad idea to do a biggish pwc on spec (as long as all parameters are matched) ... there might be residues on the tank that is irritating the fish.

If water parameters are OK, parasites are next on the lists of suspects. Salt is a cheap & relatively innocuous general treatment. Although for serious parasites, it is better to use praziquental. <Eg. Jungle's anti-parasite food.>
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ok yesterday i started pirmafix also i have a fantail in the tank with him and he is doing great no troubles at all this started almost right after the big move i will check perimeters and post later also i have salt but i cant find jungle anti parisite food will any anti parasite food work?
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ok ph is 8 which is normal for all my tanks and fish are very adjusted to it. amm-0 ni-0 na-0 i understand the tank is not cycled but i had no choice to move them their old tank was leaking fast and today i notice white on the black moors eye and very little starting on the fantail
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ok ph is 8 which is normal for all my tanks and fish are very adjusted to it. amm-0 ni-0 na-0 i understand the tank is not cycled but i had no choice to move them their old tank was leaking fast and today i notice white on the black moors eye and very little starting on the fantail
Kind of a film on the eye? Mine has that too, only it looks more like sap running down a tree or something.

here's a short list of what I tried:

Heat/salt
Pima/Melafix
Quick Cure
Foran 2
Maracyn
Jungle Parasite food

All at different intervals, with long breaks to let them recover and with good water tests along the way. So the fizzy fungus pills are my last shot.
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i just started API fungus cure its an antifungal med treats fungus, mouth fungus(cotton mouth), fin & tail rot, body slime & eye cloud so here's hoping i will keep posting
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here are new pics meds have turned water very green
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The clamped fin + cloudy slime coat points more to parasites. However, since you started the Fungus-cure, you should treat for a full course. <Switching from one med to another before a full course of treatment is a sure fire recipe for developing resistance.> The Acriflavin in the fungus-cure is a surface anti-septic, it might be helpful if the problem is bacterial, and will also prevent secondary infection if there is an active parasitic infection.

You may also combine anti-parasitic treatment with acriflavin. I found Jungle's anti-parasitic food at PetSmart. When looking for meds, try to find the active ingredient list. Praziquental is the best anti-parasitic out there. Many give it routinely in goldfish QT, as it is safe even for frys.
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ok update the black moor eyes dont look to good and the goldfish has like a bump on his eye its clear and looks like it would have liquid in it i have tried an expensive anti-fungus looks like it helped a little black moors fin is no longer clamped but the eyes look a little better then yesterday but far from good any way ii completed the anti fungul regiment took 2 doses over 4 days wondering if i should try parasite meds i will try to get pics
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water is soo green its hard to get a good picture
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ok update the black moor eyes dont look to good and the goldfish has like a bump on his eye its clear and looks like it would have liquid in it i have tried an expensive anti-fungus looks like it helped a little black moors fin is no longer clamped but the eyes look a little better then yesterday but far from good any way ii completed the anti fungul regiment took 2 doses over 4 days wondering if i should try parasite meds i will try to get pics
What was the anti-fungus meds called?
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