Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Freshwater > Freshwater & Brackish - Unhealthy Fish
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 11-11-2005, 08:40 PM   #1
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Highland, Texas
Posts: 521
Send a message via AIM to Hrafnkel Send a message via MSN to Hrafnkel Send a message via Yahoo to Hrafnkel
Something in my water doesn't agree with rubberlip plecos...

I've tried twice with rubberlip plecostomus, now. The first one I got died in about 2 days, and I replaced him with another that I've had for a week and a half or so, now. I was feeding bloodworms tonight and this guy was laying on the bottom, turned over dead. My ammonia/nitrites are at 0, my nitrates are at about 5 (just did a water change last night). Anyone know what the problem is? Before now he was eating his algae wafers and his lettuce and happily sucking on the side of the tank all day...
__________________

__________________
2.5gal: Empty
5gal: 2 Black Mystery Snails
10gal: 2 Mickey Mouse Platys (1M1F), 1 African Butterfly Fish, 3 Khuli Loaches
29gal: 1 Green Severum, 1 Convict, 3 Bronze Cories
55gal: 5 Bloodfin Tetras, 6 Black Skirt Tetras, 1 Blood Parrot, 1 African Brown Knife, 1 Striped Raphael, 1 Ropefish, 2 Clown Loaches, 1 Yoyo Loach, 1 Angelfish
Hrafnkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 08:47 PM   #2
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 3,005
do you use any salt in your tank? It is somewhat of a common practice, but I've read that it can have bad consequences on plecos and other armored fish.
__________________

__________________
rubysoho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 09:27 PM   #3
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Highland, Texas
Posts: 521
Send a message via AIM to Hrafnkel Send a message via MSN to Hrafnkel Send a message via Yahoo to Hrafnkel
Nope. Always thought it was pointless to add salt when there's no need for it and no diseases or anything.
__________________
2.5gal: Empty
5gal: 2 Black Mystery Snails
10gal: 2 Mickey Mouse Platys (1M1F), 1 African Butterfly Fish, 3 Khuli Loaches
29gal: 1 Green Severum, 1 Convict, 3 Bronze Cories
55gal: 5 Bloodfin Tetras, 6 Black Skirt Tetras, 1 Blood Parrot, 1 African Brown Knife, 1 Striped Raphael, 1 Ropefish, 2 Clown Loaches, 1 Yoyo Loach, 1 Angelfish
Hrafnkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 09:31 PM   #4
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 3,005
hmmm... if it turns out there is nothing in your tank, it *could* be the supplier. I had a horrible time with cories about a year and a half ago. It wasn't until my LFS switched suppliers that I was able to successfully keep cories in my tank. All other fish were fine and my tank perameters were pristine.

Did you notice any aggression from other fish toward the pleco? Usually plecos seem to go below the radar of other fish so I doubt this would be a cause, but it is something to consider.
__________________
rubysoho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 10:29 PM   #5
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Highland, Texas
Posts: 521
Send a message via AIM to Hrafnkel Send a message via MSN to Hrafnkel Send a message via Yahoo to Hrafnkel
Completely below the radar, I don't think my other fish even knew the little guy existed. My guess is that you're right, it may be the supplier, the girl who works there (and she's actually an experienced fish keeper) said she's had a few die on here before, from there.
__________________
2.5gal: Empty
5gal: 2 Black Mystery Snails
10gal: 2 Mickey Mouse Platys (1M1F), 1 African Butterfly Fish, 3 Khuli Loaches
29gal: 1 Green Severum, 1 Convict, 3 Bronze Cories
55gal: 5 Bloodfin Tetras, 6 Black Skirt Tetras, 1 Blood Parrot, 1 African Brown Knife, 1 Striped Raphael, 1 Ropefish, 2 Clown Loaches, 1 Yoyo Loach, 1 Angelfish
Hrafnkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 10:31 PM   #6
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 3,005
hmmm, then I am willing to bet that is where the problem is coming from. Maybe you can find a local fish/aquarium club with a member who breeds them. Usually those types of people will have excellent fish.
__________________
rubysoho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 10:37 PM   #7
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: BFE North carolina
Posts: 472
I had the same problem with corys that I got from them too. I think you are right on the stock though. It could be parasites as well. Was the fish breathing hard at all?
__________________
Scottm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 10:38 PM   #8
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 3,005
Good point Scott, and I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one in town with problems
__________________
rubysoho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 10:41 PM   #9
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Highland, Texas
Posts: 521
Send a message via AIM to Hrafnkel Send a message via MSN to Hrafnkel Send a message via Yahoo to Hrafnkel
Nah, neither fish was acting odd until they just up and died. I'll probably just try another sort of fish, I'm not set on a pleco.
__________________
2.5gal: Empty
5gal: 2 Black Mystery Snails
10gal: 2 Mickey Mouse Platys (1M1F), 1 African Butterfly Fish, 3 Khuli Loaches
29gal: 1 Green Severum, 1 Convict, 3 Bronze Cories
55gal: 5 Bloodfin Tetras, 6 Black Skirt Tetras, 1 Blood Parrot, 1 African Brown Knife, 1 Striped Raphael, 1 Ropefish, 2 Clown Loaches, 1 Yoyo Loach, 1 Angelfish
Hrafnkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 10:56 PM   #10
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 3,005
unfortunatly the nature of internal parasites doesn't always show external signs until right before death. This is a huge problem with German Blue Rams and it seems to always be a gamble when buying them (hence the huge thread on them that spans about 45 pages). Perhaps this supplier also has a problem with parasites or bacteria of some sort. Who knows.

So what type of fish are you thinking about now?
__________________
rubysoho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 11:10 PM   #11
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Highland, Texas
Posts: 521
Send a message via AIM to Hrafnkel Send a message via MSN to Hrafnkel Send a message via Yahoo to Hrafnkel
Completely undecided. No clue whatsoever. Any suggestions?
__________________
2.5gal: Empty
5gal: 2 Black Mystery Snails
10gal: 2 Mickey Mouse Platys (1M1F), 1 African Butterfly Fish, 3 Khuli Loaches
29gal: 1 Green Severum, 1 Convict, 3 Bronze Cories
55gal: 5 Bloodfin Tetras, 6 Black Skirt Tetras, 1 Blood Parrot, 1 African Brown Knife, 1 Striped Raphael, 1 Ropefish, 2 Clown Loaches, 1 Yoyo Loach, 1 Angelfish
Hrafnkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 11:13 PM   #12
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 3,005
haha, hmmm.... check out liveaquaria.com and see if anything appeals to you
__________________
rubysoho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 11:30 PM   #13
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Highland, Texas
Posts: 521
Send a message via AIM to Hrafnkel Send a message via MSN to Hrafnkel Send a message via Yahoo to Hrafnkel
I've checked but didn't really see much.
__________________
2.5gal: Empty
5gal: 2 Black Mystery Snails
10gal: 2 Mickey Mouse Platys (1M1F), 1 African Butterfly Fish, 3 Khuli Loaches
29gal: 1 Green Severum, 1 Convict, 3 Bronze Cories
55gal: 5 Bloodfin Tetras, 6 Black Skirt Tetras, 1 Blood Parrot, 1 African Brown Knife, 1 Striped Raphael, 1 Ropefish, 2 Clown Loaches, 1 Yoyo Loach, 1 Angelfish
Hrafnkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2005, 12:40 AM   #14
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: north idaho
Posts: 470
Send a message via AIM to megladonsharky Send a message via MSN to megladonsharky Send a message via Yahoo to megladonsharky
Which tank were they in???

What is the filtration in tank and do you have any air stones or oxegen adding or ciulating devices... I kept loosing plecos and it turned out to be not enough o2 in the h2o... My pitbull is a tuffy
__________________
two gallon with 16 gph filter with live plants and a female betta named Meloday

3-4 gallon with 80gph ... Planted lightly three white clouds ( Birtha Clara and Delila) and some snails (mainly melodys snacks)

9 gallon with 130gph , heated with male betta (Trafalger RIP)Kaden ( a male betta)has moved in, pygmy cory (MaMa) , pitbull pleco(Metal), three preacox rainbows( Annabel, Glitter and Mondo) and various snails...
megladonsharky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2005, 06:37 AM   #15
AA Team Emeritus
 
Devilishturtles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Frederick, Maryland
Posts: 8,543
Send a message via Yahoo to Devilishturtles
Does the striped raphael and the pleco share the same space in the tank? Do they have seperate territories? When you feed the pleco, do you do it after lights out?

The most common death for plecos is starvation, because they often have to outcompete the other fish for food. When you by one at the LFS, always make sure you buy one with a full belly (not flush, but plump and sticking out a little), and not caved in. The difference is obvious. If you are buying fish that are not well fed and malnourished, the transport, and stress that comes with it, might not be well handled by the pleco and might cause it's early deaths.

Just my 2 pennies. HTH.
__________________
-Lindsay

Live in the Western MD/West Virginia/DC Metro Area?
Join our very active regional forum Here

Like the advice someone just gave you? Add to their reputation! Click on the balance icon underneath their username and let them know.
Devilishturtles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2005, 07:34 AM   #16
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 3,005
megladon, did you notice any signs in the rest of your fish when you discovered the lack of oxygen?


Hrafnkel, you sound like me sometimes. So, lets try to narrow down the spectrum of fish. Are you looking for another pleco? A center piece or schooling fish? Small, big, slow, active? Which tank will this be for?
__________________
rubysoho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2005, 12:37 PM   #17
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: north idaho
Posts: 470
Send a message via AIM to megladonsharky Send a message via MSN to megladonsharky Send a message via Yahoo to megladonsharky
Quote:
Originally Posted by rubysoho
megladon, did you notice any signs in the rest of your fish when you discovered the lack of oxygen?


?

No but I had dwarf cories and a male beta so they got air from the surface... It was a really experieced aquarium keeper who figured it out..
__________________
two gallon with 16 gph filter with live plants and a female betta named Meloday

3-4 gallon with 80gph ... Planted lightly three white clouds ( Birtha Clara and Delila) and some snails (mainly melodys snacks)

9 gallon with 130gph , heated with male betta (Trafalger RIP)Kaden ( a male betta)has moved in, pygmy cory (MaMa) , pitbull pleco(Metal), three preacox rainbows( Annabel, Glitter and Mondo) and various snails...
megladonsharky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2005, 04:24 PM   #18
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Highland, Texas
Posts: 521
Send a message via AIM to Hrafnkel Send a message via MSN to Hrafnkel Send a message via Yahoo to Hrafnkel
Quote:
Which tank were they in???
The 55. They weren't in at the same time, one died, I replaced it with a new one. There's plenty of surface disturbance to facilitate the exchange of gases.

Quote:
Does the striped raphael and the pleco share the same space in the tank? Do they have seperate territories? When you feed the pleco, do you do it after lights out?
My raphael hangs out with the knife fish, my pleco spent most of his time in the slate cave on the other end of the tank. I fed him at night, yes. Algae wafers and lettuce and zucchini.

Quote:
Hrafnkel, you sound like me sometimes. So, lets try to narrow down the spectrum of fish. Are you looking for another pleco? A center piece or schooling fish? Small, big, slow, active? Which tank will this be for?
No clue really. I'm up for anything, but the bottom of my tank has been looking particularly empty since the death of an eel a week or two ago (unrelated, he choked, I believe.), and the death of the pleco. Probably not a schooling fish (if I go schooling I'd want serpae tetras). Small or big. Relatively active. I was thinking about a pair of clown loaches or something, since I'll be getting a much larger tank for graduation next year, and they shouldn't outgrow a 55 before then.
__________________
2.5gal: Empty
5gal: 2 Black Mystery Snails
10gal: 2 Mickey Mouse Platys (1M1F), 1 African Butterfly Fish, 3 Khuli Loaches
29gal: 1 Green Severum, 1 Convict, 3 Bronze Cories
55gal: 5 Bloodfin Tetras, 6 Black Skirt Tetras, 1 Blood Parrot, 1 African Brown Knife, 1 Striped Raphael, 1 Ropefish, 2 Clown Loaches, 1 Yoyo Loach, 1 Angelfish
Hrafnkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2005, 09:14 AM   #19
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 3,005
I'd actually suggest Yoyo Loaches (3) or if that raphael cat is a schooling cat, add to them.
__________________
rubysoho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2005, 09:41 AM   #20
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Highland, Texas
Posts: 521
Send a message via AIM to Hrafnkel Send a message via MSN to Hrafnkel Send a message via Yahoo to Hrafnkel
Raphaels don't school from anything I've heard. I'll look into the yo-yos.
__________________

__________________
2.5gal: Empty
5gal: 2 Black Mystery Snails
10gal: 2 Mickey Mouse Platys (1M1F), 1 African Butterfly Fish, 3 Khuli Loaches
29gal: 1 Green Severum, 1 Convict, 3 Bronze Cories
55gal: 5 Bloodfin Tetras, 6 Black Skirt Tetras, 1 Blood Parrot, 1 African Brown Knife, 1 Striped Raphael, 1 Ropefish, 2 Clown Loaches, 1 Yoyo Loach, 1 Angelfish
Hrafnkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
pleco, plecos

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Are Rubberlip plecos plant eaters? jsoong Freshwater & Brackish - Planted Tanks 4 05-20-2009 11:11 PM
Green Water and Plecos Aremihc Freshwater & Brackish - General Discussion 2 07-30-2008 10:44 AM
got new plecos from live aquaria today! (blue water?) SeymourFRESH Freshwater & Brackish - General Discussion 6 04-10-2006 09:16 PM
Rubberlip Plecos bosk1 Freshwater & Brackish - General Discussion 12 12-19-2005 09:43 AM
Anyone agree? packfan2204 Saltwater Reef Aquaria 11 03-31-2004 01:41 PM







» Photo Contest Winners







All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.