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Old 04-10-2009, 09:51 PM   #21
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I hope it all is a misunderstanding. But again.....I continue to hear nothing from here after I shipped over a month ago

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Yes, I was to ship first ....and I did...with delivery confirmation.
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Got her/his phone number?
How did you ship it?
was it across state lines?

If its been this long and they see the fish YOU sent them everyday, then yeah id pursue other means of getting your property back. Something is fishy, and it aint the fish.

Ive had to do this a few times before, in the end you get something in return.
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No phone number. I shipped via USPS Priority mail. Pennsylvania to the Carolinas
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Sir, do what you gotta do, the other party has committed mail fraud and extortion.deceptive practice. Business or not it was a trade more then likely a written agreement if you conversed thru email and the trade was offered/accepted thru email it is considered written. I might be wrong in some aspects but someone owes you a fish.

Its all principal I am assuming correct?
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Yeah....it's the principle more than anything. I would NEVER do this to a fellow hobbyist. I'm in this for the love of the hobby.....not to make a fortune. I just feel like I've been taken advantage of. I'm out 12 bucks shipping and a nice fish.
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since it went USPS I would go in and talk to your local postmaster. They got ALOT more authority then most people think. Besides its a federal offense as well. I think it was a bad move on the other persons part, seriously, he/she see's YOUR fish every single day.......
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I'll go talk to the postmaster....but I'm not gonna hold my breath. I'll keep you posted on what he says.
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Just thought you should see this: MY75 planted tank just some shots setting up - Aquaria Central

That your fish in the pics (the one in the bucket)? She posted that today so she's definitely avoiding you and has seen your messages. Think I'll make a post on that forum.
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I dispise thiefs, they are worse then liars.

I think I signed up on there too, lemme check.
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Thanks for helping me out folks. I can't tell if the fish in the bucket is one of mine or not. I actually think the one I sent her was larger.
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she listed a PAIR of BNP'S as well in her post.....
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and the plot thickens.. lol thats nuts...
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wheather one of plecos in the bucket is the one you have sent is not really important
what matters is that she is not going through any trouble at the moment and is very happy about her new set up...
this is stealing and she is about to get away with it
DO NOT let her get away with this you have sent her what is yours and expected to get something in return with her consent
get what is yours...
i hope this experience does not discourage you to do any trade/barter in the future as there are many more honest people than a deceiving creature like her
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i joined the other site and PM her i hope she gets back to you soon
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TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 63 > ß 1341Prev | Next
ß 1341. Frauds and swindles

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Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan, exchange, alter, give away, distribute, supply, or furnish or procure for unlawful use any counterfeit or spurious coin, obligation, security, or other article, or anything represented to be or intimated or held out to be such counterfeit or spurious article, for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice or attempting so to do, places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter, any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service, or deposits or causes to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier, or takes or receives therefrom, any such matter or thing, or knowingly causes to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon, or at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, any such matter or thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

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EXCHANGE. thats the key word, there as no exchange, she swindled you, bottom line.

MAIL FRAUD DEFINITION AND PUNISHMENT

Whoever

1) having devised, or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud,
or
2) for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan…
3) something of value or some item…and
4) places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter
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shall be fined …or imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both.

US code title 18,1341.frauds and swindles
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I just PM'd her again. I WILL go to see the Postmaster tomorrow.
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Fish is sent !!! ~

thank you kangster for the pm on my site. I had lost this link and could not find it , thierfore could not find morningmans address, i did go threw dental surgery and i am now all better. Yes i got a new 75 gallon and no i dont have your pleco in that tank. I have your female in my 55 and my male in my 10 for now, needed the xtra munch... Lol ~~~~~~~ your box is shipped and should arrive at your door by wensday or thursday , i am very sorry for my lateness & all this confusion, wow ~ address in hand, box is going to post office with female brown pleco now ~~~~~~ again sorry for the wait , i would never leave somrone out like this, never . Alot has happened , but i am fine and now i can save this site again, for some reason i wasent getting any emails from here. I must have cut that off ? I dont know, i will def fix that too !!! Again thank you kangster for pmig me, this is a horriable accident and is being fixed with yrou promised fish & some money for your time . Again i am very sorry .
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$$ are not necessary. What we originally agreed upon will be sufficient. That is all I ever wanted.....nothing more.
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Morningman, Good to hear this worked out.
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